Harland and Wolff making trains for the first time since the 1940s

[Galteemore]

1. Yes, it struck me as very ‘with it’ for the build date, when domestic flush toilets were only beginning to become a feature of new middle class house builds. Mind you, this is 1st class. A fabulous project bringing a much neglected area of railway history to life. 

Edited August 16 by Galteemore

[Broithe]

2 hours ago, Galteemore said:

1. Yes, it struck me as very ‘with it’ for the build date, when domestic flush toilets were only beginning to become a feature of new middle class house builds. Mind you, this is 1st class. A fabulous project bringing a much neglected area of railway history to life. 

Another thing that my few years of exile in Cyprus brought to my notice.

When we left England, in the late 60s, almost all the flushing cisterns were high-level devices, operated by pull-chains.

When we returned a few years later, 90% of them were now low-level, handle-operated cisterns.

None of the people who had remained in the country for that period seemed to have noticed the transition occurring.

I wondered if the conversions had been done at night, by tooth fairies made redundant by the (then) expansion of NHS dentistry.

[skinner75]

22 hours ago, gibbo675 said:

Hi Mick,

It will be available freely on the internet so that we may all be benefit from what it has to say. It will be about your duties as the executor of your own will as a living man instead of acting as an attorney upon your own behalf when executing your own will. All things are done by way of consent and it is how that consent is garnered and thereafter who you are actually acting on behalf of when claiming property that is then not yours.

I am well aware that this all sounds completely bonkers but it actually most important to all of us, and also why the world is somewhat upside down generally.

Gibbo.

Ah, the 'living man' bit - sounds to me like the 'sovereign citizen' schtick... 

The videos of these eejits driving, sorry 'travelling', without a driving license thinking they have the system played are hilarious when reality bites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChwBYT4Dw_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3SNsTZ2YVk

 

[GSWR 90]

4 hours ago, Northroader said:

Just looking at the drawing of the coach (which is very helpful to a modeller) it strikes me that there’s a central toilet/s fitted with a roof tank above. This must be very early on in the development of this facility, or was it a later addition? Got an end elevation? The photo shewing it lifted on slings looks like the end panel mouldings are missing.

oh, and thanks for giving a van drawing, that’s magic.

Yes, it had two toilets in the middle separated by a diagonal partition. Not sure about the history of railway bathrooms but I think 33 had them from new. The first modern toilets appeared at the end of the 18th century, e.g. Bramah and Cummings toilets, so I suppose that makes sense. The toilet in 33 would have been Jennings 'thunderbox' style, we have the top part of the wooden 'box' but we're looking for Jennings-style a bowl and handle, as well as a folding sink.

Unfortunately there isn't an end drawing, the drawing of 33 was made by the same volunteer who is designing the underframe. There are a few things that might be different between that drawing and the real thing, which will make it look more like the UR coach in this photo, e.g.

• the coat of arms will probably be a maiden harp with wolves as supporters instead of a normal harp with unicorns
• we're hoping to have the toilet windows frosted with the UR coat of arms
• I think it might have had very small metal steps below the doors as per the photo instead of a larger upper wooden one
• I think there was also a bit of debate about steps on the end of the coach
• We'll try to get the font of the numbers, letters etc as close as possible to that in the photo

The photo of it being lifted was taken in 2013 before restoration started, I assume the ends were removed and replaced with something cheap in the 1980s since they were rotten. Here's a more recent picture of it with end moulding.

I will see if I can upload some other original UR drawings at some point.

Edited August 16 by GSWR 90

[jhb171achill]

2 hours ago, GSWR 90 said:

Yes, it had two toilets in the middle separated by a diagonal partition. Not sure about the history of railway bathrooms but I think 33 had them from new. The first modern toilets appeared at the end of the 18th century, e.g. Bramah and Cummings toilets, so I suppose that makes sense. The toilet in 33 would have been Jennings 'thunderbox' style, we have the top part of the wooden 'box' but we're looking for Jennings-style a bowl and handle, as well as a folding sink.

Unfortunately there isn't an end drawing, the drawing of 33 was made by the same volunteer who is designing the underframe. There are a few things that might be different between that drawing and the real thing, which will make it look more like the UR coach in this photo, e.g.

• the coat of arms will probably be a maiden harp with wolves as supporters instead of a normal harp with unicorns
• we're hoping to have the toilet windows frosted with the UR coat of arms
• I think it might have had very small metal steps below the doors as per the photo instead of a larger upper wooden one
• I think there was also a bit of debate about steps on the end of the coach
• We'll try to get the font of the numbers, letters etc as close as possible to that in the photo

The photo of it being lifted was taken in 2013 before restoration started, I assume the ends were removed and replaced with something cheap in the 1980s since they were rotten. Here's a more recent picture of it with end moulding.

I will see if I can upload some other original UR drawings at some point.

I note in the photo the window frames are varnished wood rather than dark maroon…..

[irishrailways52]

great to see an oldie but a goodie like back again