Colin R Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Hi guys. Can I first of all ask the moderators to move this to the right section of this forum if I have this wrong. I would also like to say that I am not selling these, but I am gathering information for a possible kit and expression of interest. I have just had an email back from Allen of Worsley works and he reckons it should not be a problem to produce a kit in 4mm for either 16.5 or 21mm gauge of the WT locos.He is away for the next couple of week on holiday, but he will look at this when he gets back. He would also be interested to find out how many of theses kits might be required in a first batch. If you might be interested may be you could confirm in a reply. For those of you that have never obtained a kit from Worsley's before, let me say that they are basic and do not normally include such bits like wheels, motors, gearboxes, etc with them, this will be up to you to source. Branchlines sell motors, gearboxes, etc at branchlines.blogspot.com wheels can be obtains from http://www.alangibsonworkshop.co.uk/ or http://www.markits.com/ I am not sure who makes white metal castings suitable for the kit since it is something I have never had to look for before. At the moment not sure just how many bits will need casting's but it might be an idea to start to look at and find out who produces the various white metal fittings that would be suitable for this loco. In the past I have asked Allen to produce a few etches for me and they have worked, he has always said to me, that if I can find a working drawing of a loco or item of rolling stock that I would like in a brass etch he is willing try to make it happen. OK this approach may not be to everyone's tastes, but I do hope that some of you will try and if you like it may be we could produce other popular Irish Locos and rolling stock that would be impossible any other way forward, like I have said this is not a full all singing and dancing kit, you do have to find some bits yourself, but I think it is a way to start to get a few more Irish locos available at a reasonable price. Colin Rainsbury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunluce Castle Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Hasn't this kit "been on the cards" for a while now? There was talk of it when I first got into NCC modelling, now somewhat 4 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Hi DC Yes I believe it was talked about, but from what I know it didn't happen for one reason or another, lets hope this takes place this time, as I have a list of Irish locos I would love to see in 4mm/OO kit form. Colin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I asked Allen in 2014 if he would make a WT kit to fit a 4P chassis and he asked for drawing and scans of the chassis which were supplied but never materialised. Other had provided drawing before me and they did not get anywhere. I should say in fairness he did etches of Railcars for me but it took over a year with constant pressure to get him started but once he did they where done quickly. Maybe you could be successful this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Hi Kirley All I can do is to keep the pressure up, if this fails then if and when I get my new computer, I will have ago at doing the art work myself if it has not appear by then. Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) A rtr model of a WT is more likely to be a commercial success than an etched brass or composite brass and whitemetal kit. In my experience the proportion of modellers prepared to tackle a metal kit is a small subset of the Irish modelling community. The majority of modellers based in Ireland appear to have a preference for RTR or body line kits suitable for a rtr chassis as the tendency is to model the railways with which they are familiar while overseas (incl modellers based on the British Mainland) modellers of an Irish prototype have a preference for kit and scratchbuilding in order to model the more obscure and unusual incl the steam era and the narrow gauge. A one piece resin body in NCC, UTA or NIR livery designed to fit the Hornby 2-6-4T chassis would be a low risk option and would probably sell well. While fewer people are likely to tackle a more accurate model of a WT based on a set of Worsley Works scratchbuilders parts I would not dismiss the option. Alan Doherty is on record that he is prepared to produce a "kit" if there is demand for 4 or more sets of parts, the WT is essentially an LMS design the majority of the castings may be available from the UK avoiding the need for expensive pattern making and custom casting for boiler fittings and the majority of detail casings. Edited May 18, 2017 by Mayner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 A one piece resin body in NCC, UTA or NIR livery designed to fit the Hornby 2.6.4T chassis would be a low risk option..... Good idea. UTA and NIR were exactly the same bar the logo. All NIR did was replace the UTA crest with the NIR logo on just three engines, in one of which cases (No. 4) it was UTA crest on one side, NIR on the other! They never repainted, let alone replaced lining, on anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted May 18, 2017 Author Share Posted May 18, 2017 Hi John. Do you think a 3d Print body would work? Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 It would take a highly skilled pattern maker or 3D modeller to design a pattern or tooling for a large complex loco like a WT. Its possible to produce a wax master for investment casting in metal or a mould for resin casting using 3D printing techniques. http://marksmodelworks.weebly.com/scratchbuilding-aids.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 A rtr model of a WT is more likely to be a commercial success than an etched brass or composite brass and whitemetal kit. Is that a hint, John?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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