jhb171achill

£99.99 plus £7.15 postage; that is to say £107.14, or about €145. For one used wagon. Can someone explain to a simpleton like me, what exactly is supposed to be going on here? Is this "payday loan" stuff, where you can borrow one cheap looking toy wagon, provided you pay back 500 brand new Murphy Models 201s in pristine condition? Does anyone at all actually pay money like this for an item like this? If so, I'll go through my neighbour's dustbin, sell the contents at €1000 an item, and retire. On another note, looking at the above picture, when did the SLNCR paint wagons brown and black, or CIE paint wagon chassis black? Answer: not during their entire history......

Best ferts I've seen!

Fascinating concept, Islandbridge, and good luck with what I'm sure will be a fascinating layout. The beauty about any layout is the way we can stretch any point we like! In terms of yours, 1910 was not that long after the GSWR took over the WLWR, so there certainly would have been the odd maroon locomotive pottering about, and their carriage colour was the same maroon; these would give a nice contrast, as it was lighter than the GSWR purple lake. I'm sure you're seen a layout based on the WLWR which featured in magazines YEARS ago, called "Castle Rackrent". WLWR livery was faithfully reproduced in that. Wagons can be livened up by a visiting grey GNR van, or green MGWR horse box.

Correct livery for chips, Wrenn........ Ok, I'm running for me bus now.

The more spuds you peel, the more chips, Wrenn!

I might add that if you go for early CIE days, you've a lighter (LMS shade) maroon on some coaches, with the dark CIE green appearing. While locos are almost all plain grey all over, a few main line ones are beginnings I appear in lined CIE green, a bit like the approximate version currently on 461 (though match your colour from 800 in Cultra). Goods stock is mid grey. A few early railcars can add interest. Go for mid-GSR days, and while every single loco bar the 800s are all-grey, you've three carriage liveries, and wagons are mid grey. Older, and branch line carriages are the same deep purply brown much the same as GSWR, but with a slightly more maroonish tint. Main line stock is chocolate brown and cream, while newer stock (like the "Bredins") and older stock being repainted, are coming out in a much lighter, LMS-style lined maroon.

I was reading over earlier posts on this thread with regard to the original idea of a 1910-ish GSWR layout, which, as I agree with others is a superb idea especially with scale track. While track has to come before locos, coaches, wagons or stations, a few pointers re GSWR liveries might be of interest, since you referred to the "battleship grey"'s drabness as a reason not to model GSR or CIE. The green used on 36 in Cork is not quite the right shade, though the lining is probably as close as one will get now. For such an important company, it's odd that (to date) no definitive information seems to exist in relation to loco green (or carriage colour) in the days when 36 was in traffic. But that's just an aside, since you asked about 36's colour - it's certainly jot CIE green either, by the way. The GSWR green livery started to disappear about 1895, being replaced by black lined with red. Numberplates had red backgrounds (immediately "greyed over") after about 1915! Therefore, for 1910, the liveries in daily use were actually - overall - a good bit darker and gloomier than the later grey, but probably more pleasing to the eye. Locomotives: the odd one, old, possibly still in the dark olivey green, as seen (accurately) on No. 90 in Downpatrick which has exact paint match. However, in the later years of the green, 1885-95, the lining was cream and black, not the style on 90 which is accurate for 1870-85. The vast majority of locomotives, therefore, would be glossy black with red lining. Carriages were painted the colour worn at present by the RPSI's 1142 and 351, or the DCDR's 836. This a very dark browny maroon known as "lake"; mind you, I'd be scared of finding something radioactive in a lake that colour!!!! Some mainline stock had the cream upper panels as seen on 351, but the bulk of carriage stock was six wheeled, and neither they nor the majority of secondary bogie stock did - these were all-purple-lake, like (accurately) 836. Wagons were - wait for it - mostly black! I have details somewhere of what way stations were painted. I'll pits it when I can find it. If you like the green on locos, you're looking at the 1870-1900 period....

Now, there's a loco. Forget yer oul identikit railcars. 2700, 2600, ICR, MED, MPD, 80 class, 70 class, 450.... All oul biscuit tins on wheels. I'm just standing back here now to see what happens. I did leave AEC and Donegal railcars out, before you ask.

How did we all get onto this from "GSWR 101"!

Herewith, proof from Mr Broithe of how devious leprechauns are. They lead you to believe that underneath a rainbow there's nothing more than an oul crock of gold. Above is the proof of the REAL treasure they guard. The man driving that lorry is either in their pay, in which case I hereby issue a fatwa against him; or he is an unselfish hero, determined to wrest his precious cargo from their grasp. Wonder if he ever drove the Guinness & Fert with a 141 for IE.

That's got the makings of an excellent layout. Plenty of room for the amazing scenery round there too.

Waterside, Derry, about 1975. York Road, April 1985. Note that the GM maker's plate on the cabside has obviously been only very recently hacked off! Lisburn, with GVS to Enniskillen train, about 1939. Claremorris, 14th June 1971..... hold on..... I don't think my bookcase was in Mayo then... One can dream.

I've found an oul moth eaten seat cushion which I think was out of one of them. When I get a chance I'll photograph it and post it - this will show original upholstery.

Broithe, that is indeed the secret formula for stacking such barrels, and also draining them via a beer tap and glass. How did you know this Great Mystery?

Ah, so now we've "round numbers". I demand triangular ones, whether of procrastinated variety or not.

A new canvas! Consider it the conversion of the Atmospheric to the DSER via the intermediate stages!

Riversuir, I posted yours today along with another few odds and ends I found which might be of interest

I have a sample of GSWR wagon grey - which is as good as black - as well as the lighter loco "battleship" grey. Based on the above samples, the best matches would probably be: GSWR wagon grey/black: a darkened version of RC414 Executive Dark Grey Matt AB2414. GSR / Early CIE wagon grey: the closest looks like 125 US Dark Grey Satin AA1376. 1960s Light Grey as applied to H vans, pal-vans and "bubbles" when built; chassis of "bubbles" once the bodies were painted orange: probably 165 Medium Sea Grey Satin AA1794. GSWR / GSR / CIE loco grey has been covered elsewhere. In all of the above, I'm going on an online colour chart in artificial light! But the above look close enough. If you trawl British modelling websites, I'm sure a decent reference can be found for LMS wagon grey. This is appropriate for the NCC, and only very marginally darker than CIE or GNR. The County Donegal used a slightly lighter grey, which can be seen in original form on the preserved CDR open wagon in Cultra. However, as often seems to be the disease in replicating original wagon liveries, the black ironwork on that is not authentic. It should also be grey.

I think we should have triple entendres and quadruple ones. That'll sort the men from the boys!

The Triffids have arrived! Neat railcar....

He's got a sword. What's the big long pole she has, to the right?

Wow!

I found one way out on the T & D in the early 70s. I kept it a few years, then sold it. I wish I'd kept it!

The NCC picture dates from the early 1940s and the Inchicore one late 30s. This transfer appears to be of late DUTC origin.

Extremely neat work!