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They'd be much the same - if that modern - as any of the glass-and-steel-and-concrete things you'd get across the water in Kingcharlesland. I daresay some of the British manufacturers might therefore have something suitable?

Hornby were doing their own six-wheelers, of much the same design; in fact, one of the hattons folks suggested to me that hornby had "stolen their idea". I'm not going to get into that discussion, but has anyone here ever seen a Hornby one and a Genesis one close up, together? I wonder what differences there are - visually, on websites, it seems little or nothing. Thus, might there be some mileage in the two - rivals though they were in regard not only to six-wheel carriages, but other things too - combining forces on this one? It seems to me that should there be any merit in the above, Hornby would be a logical successor. No point in an Irish manufacturer taking this up, as the design of these coaches is not Irish - it just happens that their generic design closely resembles GSWR vehicles of the same type, many of which lasted well into CIE times. (As an aside, the equivalent vehicles on other Irish rauilways, e.g. BCDR, BNCR, GNR(I), MGWR, WLWR*, CBSCR & DSER were of entirely different designs, unlike any British vehicle). (* The WLWR six-wheelers were reasonably close to the bow-ended GWR and some (English) Midland Railway stock, but kits of those are generally 4-wheel long wheelbase, a style of passenger vehicle which we didn't have here).

Me too. When the announcement was made their second-hand section and closing sale sections were full of good stuff at good prices. Going to have a look now (if i can) to see what's left - was after some scenic stuff. I wish them well.

Operational possibilities for this are quite varied given the quiet setting. I understand it's 1960s. So, you've excursions from Dublin to start with. That could be anything from a GNR railcar set (with one carrige each in black'n'tan, green and GNR navy & cream; or some such other combination!) to a loco hauled train. And here's where we get variety. Anything from a GNR steam loco (up to 1963), or an A, C or (post-1963) B141 would go in there. Carriages could be just about anything. You'll get ex-GN mainline stock (brown, even; or blacknktan or green), CIE laminates of various types, even a Craven or two later on, Bredins and (probably quite often) old ex-GSWR wooden-bodied stock as used latterly on Donabate seaside excursions etc. At the end, old GNR vans, new tin vans..... If the place still sees any goods traffic, a few Provincial "H" vans will deal with that. Could there have been any reason to load the odd Bullied open with sand? Now and again a UTA excursion can arrive. Ex-NCC and ex-GNR coaching stock in UTA livery, with a "Jeep" or ex-GNR 0.6.0 up front would seem appropriate. Also, ex-GNR railcars in UTA livery. QUITE a mix; thus, an excellent choice for a "mini"-layout.

With respect, and the layout was as I've said before an excellent job overall - scenery is amazing as many others often comment - you had called twice to measure the higher legs long before delivery... but it's here now and functioning!

The 141s didn't; the murphy details were correct. The only way to tell them apart externally from the 181s was that (initially at any rate), apart from the obvious number, 141s had no grilles but 181s did. A|lso, as originally delivered, and you'll see this correctly with the Murphy ones again, the initial appearance of the 141s did not have a CIE "roundel", though they would acquire them at forst repaint; whereas 181s had them from new. As a separate issue, I am unaware of any 141s still with no logos on them when repainted into "supertrain" livery after 1972.

That’s exactly the plan! First, though, to try to get back into that room past all the stuff that’s been put in it!

Havent been in there for a long time, but there may still be one 141 in there which the RPSI reserved for spares... we've three preserved, though. The RPSI have 141 and 142 (one each at Connolly & Whitehead) and Downpatrick has 146 operationally in order.

Ah - thought it was recent.

Seems one of their staff defrauded them of 70 grand to pay for his drug habit……! Was in Liverpool newspaper. That can’t have helped them…..!

Aaaarrrrrggghhh Corrected!!!

Me too; that’s the issue - brexit. Since covid, I started selling all sorts of old stuff accumulated over the years (not railway stuff) on fleabay. Once thus brexit stupidity started, I noticed a RAPID drop in offers being made, as a postal cost for, say, an old hardback book worth €20, jumped from maybe €6 to €21! Same thing has put me off buying the odd thing on fleabay as well as from suppliers in the UK. Anyone want some antique knives and forks?

NCC van to the left of it!

That's the hook for hanging it up on the loco shed wall in the evenings...

Yes, I definitely would. They are apparently going ahead with the CIE stock; phew! Just in time. Bang goes any chance of a further issue of DNGR and GSR liveried ones, though. Now, that's not nice to weasels........... Well done. Leslie! Totally agree.

Well, I’m going to guess at least one is an RPSI yoke - 4, 461, 171 or 85….

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Ah, but that was a one-off before they entered traffic! Fred told me that too, years ago - I wonder was it some sort of undercoat, as all other eyewitnesses, without exception, said it was black (which, indeed, was the DSER livery!). Fred was not a man given to making mistakes, but this one always puzzled me….

Not so much, as it happens! It was one of but two, and they were built specifically for the Wexford goods. They spent their working life on this almost to the end, straying only for the odd enthusiast or GAA special in late CIE days. Outside the Dublin - Wexford route, they were virtually (and in most cases, literally) unknown until RPSI days. In preservation, thyey got as far as Derry, Portrush, Tralee and Foynes! In service it didn't pull passenger trains often for the reasons above, and most of what little passenger work it did do was in its last few years. I think I've seen a pic of it on a DSER section commuter train in late CIE times, but I could be mistaken on that. Mind you, if a RTR one appeared, the RPSI might well organise a May Tour to go to Dugort Harbour - now, how to get a rake of the Whitehead Heritage set!

If you think of what HAS been done RTR in Irish steam - we've several re-liveried (and inaccurately, at that) British locos e.g. a Lima (was it? Or Bachmann?) LMS 0.6.0, a "toy" Hornby 0.4.0T with a flying snail the size of China on it, plus: 1. 00 Works GNR 4.4.0 2. 00 Works GNR 0.6.0 3. 00 Works CBSCR 0.6.0T 4. NCC Jinty 5. Bachmann "Woolwiches" in several liveries 6. 00 Works J15s (2 varieties) Now, of all of those, only (5) and (6) were in any way a common loco, seen in many places. The two GNR locos were common in their own area, but over the life of the GNR for a comparatively short time in those vresions. They were unknown south or west of Dublin bar a handful of early 1960s forays. The Bandon loco was of a prototype seen nowhere but West Cork (and, ahem, Dugort Harbour); but few in number, scrapped at an early stage, and never seen anywhere else. The "Jinty" never even pulled regular trains - it shoved trucks about Belfast docks and did nothing else; moreover, IT was relatively short lived in Ireland too - and there were but two, and even one of these only lasted about ten years. So, out of seven locos (counting the J15s with small and big boilers and tenders as two locos, only three were common. The others varied from the short lived to the restricted use to the restricted area; in the case of the Jintys, one example more than simply a "one-off". Thus, commonality in any shape or form will clearly not be any issue if the subject matter is either (a) easy to produce; (b) a popular locomotive (like, say, a Jeep or 171); or (c) for some very specific reason the makers think they can flog a reasonable few of them. Anything could turn up, from a common, well-travelled thing like a MGWR J18 or J26, even a 400, a GNR 4.4.0 like a Q, S, V or Vs, or possibly an NCC "Mogul" or "Jeep". Alternately, and I just take this as a hypothetical example, some one-off like the big eight coupled No. 900, or the BCDR 4.6.4T, or the SLNCR's "Lough Erne" could become a nice collector's item. (Stop that drooling, Galteemore, someone has to clear it up....!) Either way, if it's steam, I will need to concoct an excuse for it to go to Dugort Harbour.....

Ah - it won't post. leave it with me. It's a Mk 3 push pull on my friend's layout. Can't seem to download it.

Hoping to get more done this year - most of last year operations were restricted to basically using the terminus as a fiddle yard. When delivered, despite specific instructions (twice!), the legs were the wrong height, so the actual terminus as shown above could not be directly connected to the rest of the layout round the walls. Now, daughter's furniture is stowed in the layout room, so I can't get at any of it, and the recently posted pics are largely posed. So, the "list" contains - (a) get levels finally adjusted; (b) ...which will allow my Learned Fruied to complete the electrics and fiddle yard. (c) Get daugjhter's stuff removed and stored elsewhere. (Anyone got a spare room?); (d) see what IRM methods will be offered to slim down my bank balance......! (Plus, two books in progress....)

Outstanding!!

IMG_9913.mov This afternoon…

A lot of the time at Dugort Harbour, it’s summer 1964; I wonder if anyone will ever invent backscenes that change season! And so, in summer 1964, sixty years ago, B141 arrives with the morning mixed train.