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A few photos of the making of the GNR Grain wagon. The wagon is pictured on my T-Trak layout thread. Here I have posted 3 photos of how it came together. Basically this is a scan of a drawing reduced to N scale and coloured on the computer. The sides and the ends were then printed and glued on to card. The chassis is mounting board and the bogies are 25y bogies from the N gauge society. I think that given the small size of the wagon, a smaller bogies would be better. The roof and the loading hatches are made from card as are the smaller inspection hatches on the sides. The ladder is plastic and was originally part of a Peco tanker. This is the final painted and numbered version. The lettering and the numbers are part of the computer printed sides. The computer coloured sides had a reddish tint so I painted them a lighter shade of grey. The original drawing did not have the name Guinness or numbers on it so I am guessing that if this did have the name Guinness on the sides it would be partly obscured by the ladder. MikeO
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A few more photos of the T-Trak layout. The first set relate to my "Bus Stop" module and the second set includes part of a corner module named the "Gorge" which at present is connected to the "Bus Stop" module. The "Gorge" was inspired by a photo of a goods train of mostly covered wagons pulled by a WT Class loco coming to the summit of line line north of Dundalk. This is a general view of the "Bus stop" module. The next 3 photos are details from this module First is the garage Next is the Bus stop, the Bus is made from balsa wood and is very rough. Last is a queue of traffic behind a tractor, this is not a permanent part of the module Next is a GSR K1 class coming out of the "Gorge" module at the head of a number of larger covered vans This photo shows the comparative sizes of my Guinness wagon, which is based on an old NE bogie box wagon, so may not be the right size for this type of wagon. The grain wagon is scratch built and is based on a GNR drawing. The drawing shows the wagon to be 27.6ft long. The third wagon is a GNR 20 Ton parcel van which featured in another thread. Bringing up the rear of this short train are 2 Alphagraphix Kits, an SLNCR 5 Ton van and a CIE 12 Ton van. These have both been reduced to N Gauge size from the original OO gauge Kits that I bought last year at the MRSI Show in Dublin. The last wagon is a GNR Y8 refrigerated van, which featured in another thread.
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jhb achill171 and murrayec thank you for you comments. How I am going to achieve the look I have not worked out yet. Moving the doors and redrawing some of the windows are the main issues. Those windows not being moved are rounded in the original model but came out square in my sketch due to the way I applied the colour. This will be a long project. MikeO
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I have made an attempt to draw a template for how the Class 158 could be converted. the attached photo shows both the original class 158 and the class 2700 as it would look if I repositioned the doors and some windows. To me it looks fine and if painted well should give near enough the right look. Any comments would be appreciated. MikeO
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Does anyone know where I can get a side view of a class 2700 DMU? just one carriage would suffice. I have looked on the internet but can only find front or three-quarter views. The reason for asking is that in my post on the Connolly Station thread, following lamenting about not being able to find any of the donor stock need for the conversions mentioned by Driver301, I have managed to get an N Gauge Class 158 2 car DMU to convert to a Class 2700 DMU. However the doors are in the wrong place and some of the windows need to be changed/repositioned. This may be possible through painting but I would like to see what the spacing is. The three-quarter view photos show roughly where changes are needed but the side view, if available, would allow a more accurate positioning and spacing to be achieved. MikeO
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Some measurements that may be helpful, based on Diagram No. 11 Wheelbase 9ft Inside - length 15ft, width 7ft 4ins, height 7ft 2.5ins Outside - Length 15ft 2.5ins over headstocks and 18ft 2ins over buffers Overall height 11ft 5ins 9 from bottom of wheel to top of roof Roof outside width 8ft 5 &3 eights ins Door width 4ft 4ins, height 6ft 4 &3 quarter ins The journals for a ( Ton Van are 7x3 &5 eights) and for a 10 Ton van are 8x4 Diagran No. 10 for a 9 ton van shows marginally smaller roof and door widths Other 10 Ton van are larger with a 9ft 6ins wheel base and an outside length of 17ft 7.5ins including journals (Length over buffers 20ft 11ins) I cannot post the drawings as I am not sure about copyright. MikeO
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Thanks driver301 for the DMU conversion information. If I can find suitable donors I may try something similar. I seem to have come abit too late for a variety of modern conversions as much of the donor stock appears to be unavailable at present. MikeO
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Thanks Weshty. It works in N Gauge but it may a lot more difficult to do and achieve a good finish in OO scale. MikeO
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Thanks EPBrophy The golf course is very unique idea and well modelled. The collection is still growing. MikeO
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I have a few more photos to showing some different modules, not mine, and also some more Irish rolling stock again not all mine. The modules here comprise Golf course(in the background is a Saxon Town), Scrap yard, Saxon Halt and a Swedish forest Here we have an Irish Village sceme, Ruined church and the Golf course again Next is a farm scene A GNR V class with a short goods train with bogie, 6-wheel and 4-wheel wagons. In the back ground people are boarding the bus. A depot scene on a corner module. This replaced the village scene on the same corner module shown on an earlier post. A GNR Vs class a long line of covered goods wagons Lastly a view of my fiddle yard showing some different configurations of trains waiting to start their turn of duty and a GNR V class passing through on the main line
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Thanks Kirley I hope I have the correct look. MikeO
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Following on from the advice I received on the forum a few weeks ago about liveries, I have completed a Y8 van. I had intended the initial effort to have computer generated sides and then to move on to a plastic version. However, I was revising some other wagons and and found 2 8 plank wagons that I still had to convert. I thought that one could become the Y8 as the Y8 is just over 15ft over body in length, just the same size as the 8 plank wagon. Attached are a series of photos showing the sequence of conversion The first photo shows an 8 plank wagon (not) the one converted but the same type. I had to raise the sides and one end as they were lower than the second end. One end had 2 vertical bracing strips which needed to be lengthened The other end had one central bracing strip so this was removed and two new ones added Next on each side the existing door needed to be framed and vertical bracing (plastic strip) as well as 2 small doors (plastic planking sheet) added. The roof was made from card as were the plain curved portions on each end, supporting the roof. The wagon was then painted in crimson with a little light brown added. the numbers and lettering were computer generated. I am not sure that colouring for the lettering and the numbers is correct as it does not show up very well. The other side is the same. The black line below the roof represents double roofing. This is one end, the other is the same. I thought it was too bright so I applied a wash of "Sepia" to the sides and ends and a black wash to the roof. As per the advice the chassis was painted black for this wagon only. MikeO
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Very inspirational set of photos and video. i will have to do something with the roof of my North Atlantic Express Dining car. Also looks like I will need to get the other 2 coaches to keep it company and keep them in the Crimson Lake livery, or as close as I can get to it. MikeO
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Thanks Kirley and Dhu Varren for the response. I will have to make the curtains light brown. Maybe later I will re make the sides I'm not that happy with the current ones. MikeO
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Kirley I hope you do not mind my raising this thread again. I have just come across it. There is a drawing in a book on UTA carriages (by The Belfast and Co Down Railway Museum Trust) showing the side of dining car no. 90 with a board saying " The North Altantic Express" and printed on the side is "LMS Buffet Car NCC". The logo between "Buffet" and "Car" is indistinct but does not seem to a UTA roundal. I believe the service ceased at the out break of WW11. The drawing I have is dated 1943 where as your drawing is dated 1957 I have attached a photo of my version Given the foregoing discussion I will need to change the curtain colour. But seeing your coach in green, I have tow qustions 1 Did the North Atlantic express run only in LMS NCC Crimson lake? 2. Did the UTA re-introduce it in green? MikeO
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Thanks for the info. The class 170 look very like a DART. MikeO
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I think the clear varnish blends everything together making it a little more subdued. On my N gauge stock I use a satin varnish which gives a hint of a sheen and is softer than matt varnish. A very good work worn locomotive. MikeO
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Hi EPBrophy I have just come across this thread today. You have made a very interesting layout. It has been nice to see how it has developed. Is this your N gauge layout? If so what type of DMU are you running? MikeO
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Dunluce Castle, Mike84C Thanks for the comments. I will post photos as other projects progress. MikeO
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In April I bought a copy the IRRS booklet Great Northern Railway (Ireland) Carriage Diagrams Part 5 Non Passenger Stock. The booklet contains drawings of a number of GNR 4, 6 and bogie wagons. I saw a bogie parcel wagon in Desmond Coakham's book and thought that it would make a god model. However the book did not have any dimensions so I was delighted to get the IRRS booklet which had all the information I needed. In may I started to make a P1 parcel van mainly from plastic sheeting but enhanced with card and some brass tube. The only part I did not make was the bogies these are N gauge society kits. The following photos show roughly the progress in making the wagon. The chassis is made from mounting board. The bogies are attached by means of a small piece of brass tube glued into the mounting board. the board id raised above the wheels of the bogie by a washer which also provides a little weight. This view shows the side, the other side is the same. I put some generic boxes inside as I had glazed the windows but nothing can be seen inside when the roof is on As can be seen the windows are too small in this scale to see anything. For the louvres I tried scoring the plastic but with little success The roof made from card has been added together with details on the doors and chassis This view show one end, the other being the same The final stage was the painting and lettering. the following photos show the completed wagon. The lettering and numbering were done on the computer. I have given the wagon a worn look. MikeO
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While looking at some GNR covered wagon drawings I came across on for the grain wagon mentioned in the posts from jhb171achill and Lough Erne. This is similar to the Guinness wagon but with no large side doors but as well as the hatches on the roof there are 4 small doors on each side. There appears to be a ladder on the outside giving access to the middle hatch. The drawing mentions a ladder on the inside leading down from the centre hatch. MikeO
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Irishrailwayman Thanks for the reference number for the Alphagraphix Guinness wagon kit. I will look out for it. A chassis should not be a problem. minister I did not notice the tractor. It does look like a Fordson. I have an Oxford Die cast model in N gauge. maybe that should appear as a load for one one of the open wagons. MikeO
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minister Thanks for the link, the Guinness Bogie wagon looks to be the same as those in Alan McCutcheon's book. My model is based on that photo plus some models that I saw at various exhibitions. With regard to the ranks wagon, there are a number of model wagons on display in Cultra. One of these is the Rank wagon. i have attached a photo I took of it. As it is in a glass case and there are various lights reflecting off the case hence the poor quality of the photo. MikeO
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Jhb171achill I only got to one open day at Whitehead but did not see any Guinness Grain wagons. The two in Alan McCuteon's book do not seem to have any roof hatches. Have you any more information on the grain wagons. They would make an interesting addition to my wagon stock. I have seen a picture of a 4 wheel wagon with the name Guinness printed on it but do not know if it is authentic. Irishrailwayman I was not aware of the Alphagraphix Guinness bogie kit, it does not appear on their kit list that I have, which may be a bit out of date. MikeO
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Gentlemen thank you for your contributions to this issue. I will keep my Murphy Bros wagon as is for now( a mustard/yellow colour). I have found a copy of the extract and photo from the New irishlines magazine (have not got the issue number to hand). as this is already in the public domain with appropriate permissions it should be safe to have it on the forum. With regard to Guinness wagons, there is a photo on page 10 of Railway History in Pictures Volume 2 by Alan McCutcheon, showing 2 bogie wagons with the name Guinness written on them and the initials GNR are visible on the left side of the first wagon. The photo was taken in August 1957 at the Guinness brewery in Dublin. The wagons are in the back ground as the main story is about how braod gauge wagons were moved about the brewery complex on narrow gauge lines by use of special haulage wagons. This is my version of such a wagon. I have seen a drawing (No 55C) of the GNR Butter van on which there is a printed note that says "PAINTED WHITE OUTSIDE" all in caps. There were 4 such vans, the last of which disappeared about November 1947. All 4 were converted, 2 to ordinary covered wagons and 2 to container flats. This is my version of the butter wagon Alphagraphix produced an OO scale GSWR Butter van in yellow. this is my N gauge version. MikeO
