Can this be used on an irish layout?

[heirflick]

hi lads, i found this southern region luggage van in the junk box and wondered if anything similar ever ran on irish metals in the steam days? it would be a shame to not use her....the opening doors are a lovely feature.

 

[fitzguttentite]

i have one in red

[Broithe]

i have one in red

 

I do hope so - I have one, too. I do like the way it comes apart - ideal for painting - and opening doors, too..

 

I'm going to use it anyway - it 'looks' right to me..

[fitzguttentite]

yep they are nice

[jhb171achill]

Nothing like that did run here, though the GNR had similar TYPE of van, the "P" van, used in the same way the SR in GB would have used this, on the ends of passenger trains with a lot of mail or parcels. A "P" van would actually make a nice model, right enough.

[heirflick]

thanks J.

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

What make is that van lads

[Broithe]

What make is that van lads

 

Hornby R4057.

 

Nearest I can find.

[jhb171achill]

Yes, that's the "P" van. If anyone wants to model it, some assistance might come from the fact that the DCDR has the chassis of one, on which the BCDR "Golfers Coach" (aka Royal Saloon) is sitting. Original bogies as above and all. I think there might be one at Whitehead, but I just can't remember!!!!

[Glenderg]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/holycorner/6934022192/in/photostream/

 

Is that the same one JHB, slightly different window panels aside?

 

Just eyeballing it, I reckon it's on a 52ft chassis, and that of a crappy 57 ft Hornby LMS/Dapol Stanier chassis would be a perfect donor. Above the buffer plate though, it's a simple cut and shut of about 5 different goods wagons.. A glorious looking thing that would look perfect after a black and tan, at the end of a rake of a mixed goods train.

 

Seamus, send that puppy down to me and I'll make sure that "opening door feature" is no longer a problem.. Where did I leave my surgeons saw???

 

Richie.

[jhb171achill]

Yes, Glenderg, it is. The windows were originally single as shown on the first pic. The triple window on your pic was a UTA amendment I think - I doubt if the GNR amended them thus, but I would stand to be corrected. The UTA painted them brown. I am not sure what way CIE painted them, if indeed they had any - perhaps, with so many "tin vans" being built CIE had less need for them and maybe didn't use them?

[jhb171achill]

Just checked... at least one "P" van received CIE livery. GNR 780, renumbered C780N, was repainted into full black and tan livery in Dundalk paint shop in spring 1963. I have no record of any having received green.

[heirflick]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/holycorner/6934022192/in/photostream/

 

 

Seamus, send that puppy down to me and I'll make sure that "opening door feature" is no longer a problem.. Where did I leave my surgeons saw???

 

Richie.

 

get down richie!

[Mayner]

There is a photo of 780 on the end of a train at Bundoran junction in Desmond Coakham's Irish Broad Gauge Carriage book. much simpler outline without the vertical angle irons in the work photo earlier in the thread simple arc roof.

 

Should be simple enough to do a plasticard box body with Evergreen Planking overlays on an old Hornby Stanier underframe, change the wheels to Hornby or Bachmann wagon wheels.

 

Apart from the 16t cement vans and cement hoppers all GNR rolling stock was divided 50/50 beetween UTA & CIE so at least 6 should have gone to CIE even if they were never re-painted.