y25 bogies

[Riversuir226]

Hi lads,

In the middle of building a few mir Tara kits, but im missing 4 bogies. Does anyone know of a supplier other than cambrian or bachmann?

Even better would have any spare;)?

Many thanks

[Weshty]

River,

 

I don't which is why I am manufacturing my own, but won't have them for several months yet. And yes, they will fit much better into the irish gauge

 

 

Regards

Weshty

[Riversuir226]

Thanks Des, looking forward to them.

The bachmann ones are a good bit smaller & don't look right under the tara's. The cambrian y25 seem to be a total different type altogether.

I ll finish off the bodies in the meantime and wait for your ones.

[Glenderg]

Have you a link to the Cambrian Y25's Rsuir? Richie.

[Weshty]

Richie

 

http://www.cambrianmodels.co.uk/4mmbogies.html

 

As you can see, they're a long way from Kansas...

[Glenderg]

Ouch, not even close. Aren't ours some french derivative - Y25C or something?

[David]

Ouch, not even close. Aren't ours some french derivative - Y25C or something?

 

Ours are actually y23. As far as i know they are identical to to y25 apart from the gauge.

[Weshty]

Ours are actually y23. As far as i know they are identical to to y25 apart from the gauge.

 

I will be doing them for the Ammonia and the 42' flat, and will also consider them for spares. I reviewed and rejected the Bachmann Y25s as far too expensive. On top of that, they underhang the chassis too much.

 

By making my own I can keep the costs managable, while at the same time having a product suitable for OO gauge, run smoothly yet look "wide" enough under irish freight stock. I will keep you all posted.

Edited January 25, 2013 by Weshty
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[Guest hidden-agenda]

Look in the work bench section at schalanes on page 1 he shows you how he widened a bachmann y25. Its not the end of the world if its not perfect but may be a 2nd option if you want to get your wagons rolling. I have to say its the first time i heard of a MIR kit being sold with out bogies.

[Shinkansen]

I will be doing them for the Ammonia and the 42' flat, andd will also consider them for spares.. I considered and rejected the Bachmann's as far too expensive. On top of that they underhang the chassis too much.

 

By making my own I can keep the costs managable, while at the same time having a product that can do OO gauge, run smoothly yet look "wide2 enough under irish freight stock. I will keep you all posted.

 

 

Nice one Weshty, You spotted a gap in the market:tumbsup: I'm currently kitbashing some dapol ballast wagons into Tara Wagons, something like this could fit the bill and finish them off nicely. I agree with ya on the Bachmanns, too much £££££'s for sure!

Tom

[Riversuir226]

The wagons were bought secondhand, everything else is there even the wheels/ bearings and screws are there for the missing bogies.

I have come across mir kits with missing bits before but a quick call to Ian usually sorted out the problem. Sadly thats not an option since thr demise of mir.

Weshty looking forward to these bogies coming out please do them as a spare as well as with the new kits.

[Riversuir226]

http://apocopa.free.fr/bogies_marchandises.htm

 

Came across the above while checking out y23 bogies. Ok its in French but theres good pics of all the different types.

[Traingamer]

I have 8 sets, 16 Y25 bogies from Mir kits that were constructed by George Conna some time ago in excellent weathered condition.

[Weshty]

http://apocopa.free.fr/bogies_marchandises.htm

 

Came across the above while checking out y23 bogies. Ok its in French but theres good pics of all the different types.

 

Thanks river. That's a very handy resource to have.

[aclass007]

http://apocopa.free.fr/bogies_marchandises.htm

 

Came across the above while checking out y23 bogies. Ok its in French but theres good pics of all the different types.

 

If you use Chrome as your browser there is an option to translate any page in a foreign language to English with just one click. It works on this page too..

[Guest hidden-agenda]

I have 8 sets, 16 Y25 bogies from Mir kits that were constructed by George Conna some time ago in excellent weathered condition.

 

I got all mine built and professionally painted by Anthony. Take a look at his work bench his stuff is excellent.

[RedRich]

TBH the bogies under the prototype wagons look more like these Sambre et Meuse Y33 bogies even though they are classed as Y23. There was a report into the derailment of the Tara Mines train in Skerries in 2008 and I remember the bogies being classified as Y23. It can get a bit confusing at times.

 

 

Rich,

[Weshty]

Richie, Our ones look like an amalgam of 23 and 25. Quite "rounded" yet with an angularbend on one side.....which is how I will make them....

[Riversuir226]

Y33 eh,

http://pluto.servers.rbl-mer.misp.co.uk/~torqueoc/genesiskits.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=51&category_id=9&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3&vmcchk=1&Itemid=3

[Riversuir226]

Y33 eh,

http://pluto.servers.rbl-mer.misp.co.uk/~torqueoc/genesiskits.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=51&category_id=9&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3&vmcchk=1&Itemid=3

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

Y33 eh,

http://pluto.servers.rbl-mer.misp.co.uk/~torqueoc/genesiskits.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=51&category_id=9&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=3&vmcchk=1&Itemid=3

 

 

You need to stop hitting the reply button twice as you are constantly double posting

[RedRich]

Richie, Our ones look like an amalgam of 23 and 25. Quite "rounded" yet with an angularbend on one side.....which is how I will make them....

 

That's spot on des, I've no doubt they will be on the ball. I think you have made the right choice in producing your own.

 

Rich,

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

http://apocopa.free.fr/bogies_marchandises.htm

 

Came across the above while checking out y23 bogies. Ok its in French but theres good pics of all the different types.

 

 

Some good info there

[Weshty]

 

 

 

 

Well lads, a good evenings work done. Just have to add the edge on the left hand side and we're done!

[Riversuir226]

Sweet, its coming on nicely.

[Garfield]

Jaysus, that was quick...

 

 

 

 

 

(She said)

[Weshty]

I've been doing a bit of research and can clarify that the bogie used by CIE is actually a Y33 with sensor loading.

 

 

It's detailed on the Sambre & Meuse website.

http://www.sambreetmeuse.fr/?fond=produit&id_produit=7&id_rubrique=1

 

 

This German site provides more technical info.

http://www.drehgestelle.de/6/Y25_ba33.html

 

 

 

So there yez are. Now to get them cast and available!

Edited January 25, 2014 by Weshty

[RedRich]

Spot on Des regarding the bogie type. IE's seem to have had axle box covers removed on our Y33's. I wonder was this done by CIE or were they produced that way by Sambre Et Meuse. You made the right choice in producing your own bogies Des as the Bachmann ones just don't look right even if they are a handy alternative.

 

Rich,

[waffles]

Spot on Des regarding the bogie type. IE's seem to have had axle box covers removed on our Y33's. I wonder was this done by CIE or were they produced that way by Sambre Et Meuse. You made the right choice in producing your own bogies Des as the Bachmann ones just don't look right even if they are a handy alternative.

 

Rich,

ours use Timken bearings the one in the photos are SKF bearings hence different bearing covers

[Weshty]

ours use Timken bearings the one in the photos are SKF bearings hence different bearing covers

 

Ahh, and that's why the Bachmann Y25s look a little bit off as well.

[waffles]

I feel useful ! thanks

[RedRich]

ours use Timken bearings the one in the photos are SKF bearings hence different bearing covers

 

Excellent information, I'd always wondered why there were no axle box covers on ours. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

Rich,