C&MDR additions to the Resources section

[Rob R]

As mentioned a while ago on the Colm Creedon thread, I have posted  a few bits on the Resources section from the collection of the late Richard Chown.

The gods  mods have approved so they are now visible to all.

There are GA drawings of a traditional centre roof door Goods and Cattle Wagon and a Covered Cattle and Goods Wagon of a later type (Nos108, 109, 110. possibly others - need to look at the drawing in the flesh again).

Also there is a drawing of a pair of 6 wheeled coaches, more of a dimensioned sketch but with the faint trace of the Capwell drawing "office" stamp.

I know the C&MDR had some coaches from the GSWR of Waterford, Dungarvan &Lismore Railway origin.

May these be some of them?

Enjoy

C&MDR wagons

C&MDR coaches

[Mol_PMB]

The blueprint wagon is interesting - it is vacuum piped, but not apparently vacuum braked. However, its handbrake arrangement is more GB than Irish. 

As for the body, the drawing is confusing in places because each view is a composite of an elevation on one side and a cross-section on the other side. 

There seem to be hinged covers over the vents in the upper and lower sides, to allow it to be used as either an enclosed goods van or a cattle wagon.

 

It's not identical to either of these, but there's a close resemblance to the first one:

RNC_CMDR_105R_Kingsbridge_13_Oct_1947 | [Photographer: Robin… | Flickr

PJF_CMDR_103R_Birr_11_April_1955 | [Photographer: Patrick J … | Flickr

 

 

[Rob R]

The composite view is quite common with 19th century rollingstock GA's.

It enables the one drawing to show how everything is arranged, think of it as an assembly drawing, the parts being manufactured to other component level drawings.

Anyone taking bets on when IRM will bring one out?

I have not seen those photos before, there again I haven't been looking for C&MDR cattle trucks.

Here is 103 in a view I found on the interweb somewhere. Apologies if it causes copyright issues, if it does I'll take it down.

Edited Tuesday at 15:26 by Rob R

[Mol_PMB]

17 minutes ago, Rob R said:

Anyone taking bets on when IRM will bring one out?

A CMDR wagon might be the sort of thing @Bob49 would consider doing? Though I think he has a bit of a list of ideas to work through already.

The availability of decent drawings is a big step in the right direction. Although they can't have been very numerous, it looks like a few survived into CIE days.

 

[Rob R]

They would also pass nicely as "typical Irish" wagons  that a lot of steam era Irish modellers would be happy with.

If only there were such decent drawings/photos of early Irish Brake Vans................(MGWR and BNCR excepted)

[leslie10646]

Is this not old enough? late 1800s I thought?

64 of them out there according to my files, but I will have missed a few.

Only one in stock at the moment, but I may do another short run.

[Westcorkrailway]

[Rob R]

1 hour ago, Westcorkrailway said:

Westcork,

That's great!

Could you put these in the Resouces section please?

Makes it easier to find in the future.

[jhb171achill]

5 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

Is this not old enough? late 1800s I thought?

64 of them out there according to my files, but I will have missed a few.

Only one in stock at the moment, but I may do another short run.

Vehicles like this are definitely of mid-1880s to 1910-15-ish origins.

[Bob49]

On 18/11/2025 at 3:40 PM, Mol_PMB said:

A CMDR wagon might be the sort of thing @Bob49 would consider doing? Though I think he has a bit of a list of ideas to work through already.

The availability of decent drawings is a big step in the right direction. Although they can't have been very numerous, it looks like a few survived into CIE days.

 

Never say no. Just need a drawing and a photo that matches.

Marc

[Westcorkrailway]

The Cork and Macroom railway is one Irelands most underlooked railway companies. So much so that I used to joke at every announcement “I hope it’s a CMDR inspection van”. It’s been over 60 years now since the last publication about the railway. I’d love to tackle it someday if no one wants to get there before me. 
 

most photos of CMDR stock that’s findable on the IRRS archive is of passenger coaches in use for other stuff (per way, peat wagons, one even ended up as an ambulance). The policy at the time being to keep the MGWR and GSWR ones going to make the 6 wheel range a bit more standard. Even so the CMDR’s coaches were on average already ancient at the time of amalgamation. But they did seem to travel. I beleive the two Macroom coaches in Dungarvan had been transferred to tramore at some stage