Rob R

Somewhere up in the loft I have a selection of Rumfit "OO and EM" axles if you need any more. If you are really desperate I also have some S scale axles which will need shortening............ R

"You want wheels on that loco? That will be an extra £20 per wheel sir. A motor as well? Another £50 sir"

Chris, Have you come across anything detailed about Farland Point or Buncrana in broad gauge days? A long shot I know but I have a penchant for the obscure ( Coleraine Waterside, Magilligan Point, Portumna Bridge etc..) Thanks Rob

Unfortunately, despite being there all weekend with Trowland I never got the chance to have more than just a passing look at Castlefinn

"Imp" and "Elf" were the two ex-DSER Railmotor locos so some thing more obscure is called for I suspect.

Only needs one lot of research to do 4mm and 7mm......

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/336449844845 This one is one of the ex DSER railcar locomotives as converted to an 0-4-0t (Imp and Elf)

C or G for me. Both could be done in a variety of liveries for extra sellability (is that a real word?) and could easily find a home on any small/micro layout. As long as it was designed to be easily converted to scale gauge. Right, where did I put that lottery ticket??

Better too small than too big...

It's a late K's kit. Says on the keeper plate - stylized intertwined K and S logo. I have seen them done up nicely with new under pinnings, fettled boiler fittings and a decent paint job.

On streetview, click on the "see more dates" and you get the option of Oct 2008 with the windows still intact and no clutter in the way. Sorry, my phone isn't playing ball and refuses to let me do a screen shot.

The drawing Antony posted above shows a very different beast to the grounded body to be found outside of the Enniskillen GNR loco shed in the latter years, as suggested in the CIE horsebox thread. https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511876260/

Antony, I think you have done very well stitching that together. Rob

Going to need a bigger layout...

I have changed the thread title as we seem to be encompassing all aspects of the SL&NCR rolling stock. With that it is probably a good idea to link the New Irish Lines article by Alan O'Rouke on the coaching stock. New Irish Lines November 2010

Looking at Antony's list, (thank you Antony) which with the loco's listed and the bogie carriages, must date from 1924 to 1928 a couple of things jump out at me. First off is that there are only 40 cattle wagons listed whereas they had 70 at closure. There are 104 vans listed against 43 at closure. I know there was a clear out in 1954(ish) where 50 wagons went to scrap but I suspect a large number of closed goods vans were rebuilt/renewed as cattle wagons in the 20's and 30's. I will in due course cross match the running numbers and try to work out which was rebuilt into what or at least where the usable iron work went. The other bit that jumps out is the horsebox, or rather the lack of one.

Thank you once again. The second sketch looks to me as if it is details for coach No 4? Will look on the big screen tomorrow, phone isn't the best place for that sort of work.

Just noticed. The drawing of the High side wagon shows 5 planks. The unidentified wagon to the right of 143 that I posted above shows a 5 plank end whereas almost all the later views of these wagons show 4 wider planks.

The "low sided flat wagon" drawing posted by Antony on my SLNCR wagons thread has a note "No5 Altered to Wigan Doors". The 3 plank dropside ballast wagon drawing is annotated "Wigan Wagons" and the wagon partially visable on the far left of the Brake Van No 1 view appears to have a full length 2 plank dropside door grafted onto it. Could this be No 5? We would be a lot poorer without Ernie and his photos. Thank You.

Antony, Thank you very much. An absolute gold mine. When the dust has settled do you mind if I copy them into a dedicated thread in the resources section so they are easier to find in the future? The SL&NCR is rapidly becoming one of the best documented Irish lines.

They certainly look like someone wanted Vac Fitted (they have Vac Cylinders, not just through pipes) cattle wagons on the cheap. A traditional sized body on a re-purposed, already fitted underframe. No doubt the paper work that would help us identify the thought processes behind this batch went up in smoke back in 1941. Different, would make an interesting model.

Thank you Ernie, Van 100 is a new one for the list and a much better view of 59. The Sparks "Standard Cattle Wagon" drawing shows 2 stanchions per quarter panel as per 59 and 117 but that was going to be part 3..... Please keep them coming. If only we could go back for a day with a digital camera and a flipping great big memory card..............(and batteries!) Mol-PB you have of course spotted the elephant in the room. Sprinks mentions that the number 27 appears on a cattle wagon and a van but here we have a pair of 132 cattle wagons.

The HMRS drawing of the Waterford and Limerick "Iron Cattle Wagon Underframe" of 1894 shows 14ft over Headstocks on a 8ft 6in wheelbase. The MGWR open cattle wagon of 1894 is 14ft 2in over headstocks on a 8ft wheelbase. The C&MDR cattle wagon (undated) is 15ft 8 over headstocks on a 9ft 2in wheelbase. The "standard" Sligo cattle wagon wasn't much different to the norm.

Mr Spark's "Standard Cattle Wagon" drawing of 1920 gives a 9ft wheelbase, 15ft 6in over headstocks and 11ft 1 1/2 high. Not huge but not unusually small either. The "Standard Wagon Underframe" drawing is pretty much the same, with a note that it was also used on the "Crate Wagons" ie open cattle. Obviously it would be a bit rash to say all SLNCR cattle wagons were the same, but as Ernie kindly shows below, old age and saggy springs also play a part.

If you must start from a rtr one then cutting down a hornby LMS BV might be easier (and cheaper!). No use to me, I need something 119% bigger....