GNRi Bogie van Prototype.

[Moogie-69]

Would anyone have any photos of this bogie van ? Need to see the details of the doors.

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Moogie-69

[Mol_PMB]

This might be worth a look, though it doesn't match yours exactly:

504 Guinness Grain Van

[jhb171achill]

4 hours ago, Moogie-69 said:

Would anyone have any photos of this bogie van ? Need to see the details of the doors.

 

The GNR vans were more or less those dimensions, and crucially the bogies look right, but the doors aren’t right, but the framework, and they would have had horizontal planking, not vertical (which was extremely rare in Ireland). 

[Jonathan Allen]

Or this, which shows the unconverted side: Guinness grain van - Whitehead | A bogie GNR(I) built grain … | Flickr

 

[Moogie-69]

I don't think it's a grain van as there are no chutes on the drawings.

@jhb171achill , was the framework on the doors on the outside,  I can't tell from the drawings, also to me the drawings seem to show vertical planking on the outside and horizontal on the inside,  or am I looking at it the wrong way round ?

Edited 22 hours ago by Moogie-69

[Mol_PMB]

Have you read through the history of the GNR bogie vans on the RPSI link I sent you? These bogie vans were modified over the years. There are also lots of photos. 

It is quite possible that none were built exactly to the design in your published drawing. Is there a date associated with the drawing that you could correlate with the batches mentioned in the RPSI history? 

[Moogie-69]

8 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Have you read through the history of the GNR bogie vans on the RPSI link I sent you? These bogie vans were modified over the years. There are also lots of photos. 

It is quite possible that none were built exactly to the design in your published drawing. Is there a date associated with the drawing that you could correlate with the batches mentioned in the RPSI history? 

From what I can find out the drawing is from the Locomotive railway carriage and wagon review magazine,  I haven't found what issue it was from yet, hoping it will give more information on when it was built and type designation.  To me the framework is too different from the Guinness van to be a modified version. 

Noel.

[Mol_PMB]

The doors on your drawing look like this:

 

There are plenty of old drawings that represent proposals that were never built. Or the design was adjusted before construction. 

[Moogie-69]

Mol_PMB,  thanks for that, I think i see what the door should look like now, the bottom section is a fold out ramp with the doors above. Just couldn't make it out in the drawings  but the photos helped greatly.

Edited 21 hours ago by Moogie-69

[jhb171achill]

2 hours ago, Moogie-69 said:

 

@jhb171achill , was the framework on the doors on the outside,  I can't tell from the drawings, also to me the drawings seem to show vertical planking on the outside and horizontal on the inside,  or am I looking at it the wrong way round ?

 

The outside was horizontal. Nit sure about the inside - if there was anything vertical at all it would have to have been internal in this case. 

[Mol_PMB]

I agree that the drawing you are using shows vertical planking on the outside and horizontal planking on the inside.

But I am still not convinced that your drawing matches anything that was actually built.

The real things had horizontal planking on the outside and vertical planking on the inside - again, see the large selection of photos on the RPSI website. 

 

 

[leslie10646]

3 hours ago, Moogie-69 said:

I don't think it's a grain van as there are no chutes on the drawings.

@jhb171achill , was the framework on the doors on the outside,  I can't tell from the drawings, also to me the drawings seem to show vertical planking on the outside and horizontal on the inside,  or am I looking at it the wrong way round ?

The real thing is at WHITEHEAD, @Moogie-69, not that far from Drmore, so go and feast your eyes .......

[Mayner]

The RPSI "504 Guinness Grain Van" page includes Dundalk diagrams of the 20T Bogie Vans in original (Diagram18 1903) and bulk grain (Diiagram 19 1938) forms

https://www.steamtrainsireland.com/rpsi-collection/52/504-guinness-grain-van

 

[Moogie-69]

That looks better, think ill leave the planks vertical as in the drawings, ill just call it a prototype.

[Moogie-69]

More questions for you's.

First picture, are these something to do with the brakes or are they tension rods to brace the chassis ?

Second picture, think this is a view of the inside of the van and chassis, are these brake rods of chassis braces ?

[airfixfan]

Foxs paient refer to bogie type. The ex GNR Directors saloom has them. Few survive

[Mol_PMB]

Your drawing appears to indicate a trussed tubular frame underframe, and the parts you have indicated are part of this truss. Not the brake gear.

The real GNR bogie vans did not have this type of frame - they used a conventional channel frame and it did not have truss rods.

The tubular frame design is similar to that produced for a short period by this outfit in Barrow, Cumbria:

Advert reproduced in 'British Carriage & Wagon Builders & Repairers 1830-2006' (Sambrook). I'd take the images with more than a pinch of salt!

This firm did produce a small number of bogie wagons for Ireland, including some for the WLWR and apparently one for the T&D. Also for the English GNR and L&Y.