RedRich Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 Hi That other link BosKnoay posted - take a look at the photos on the page and read the text to the side. I think their simple concept is good? http://royersfordmodular.org/Modules.html murrayec That looks a good example to use as a reference Eoin. It would be a great project for the group bringing members from all parts of the Island together. Rich, Quote
RedRich Posted October 11, 2013 Posted October 11, 2013 I saw a youtube video of the first two DARTs sitting in the depot - I had the idea of a model of the shed with one side open with this scene and another of a DART under service or re-painting! Some say Dort in the south but the most I hear is Daaarrt! murrayec I think it has been a great success Eoin. It is one of my favourite Suburban railways and there is every kind of scenery on it. A mainline Station Inner city Stations County Dublin and Wicklow Stations Some marvellous coastal scenery I remember one of Michael Palin's Railway journey programs from the early 90's featuring himself and The Edge on the Dart before he travelled the East Coast to Rosslare. Swifty a Waterford based Bus Eireann driver gave him a spin to Waterford on the back of his Harley as there were no trains on a Sunday. Rich, Quote
murrayec Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 The biggest issue is getting the track lined up between baseboards, anyone have any ideas on this? Hi Dave I going through the NMRA Module specification and think this is a good idea;- The track is left short 50mm at each end of the board, when the boards come together a short length of track of 100mm is inserted and fish-plated up- this means the track joins are 50mm away from the board joins. Insulated fish-plates would be the ideal to use for this, easy to slide in position with a tweezers. Legs should also have height adjustment bolts to level the boards What do you think? murrayec Quote
Dave Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 That's a good idea Eoin, we will have to agree a standard for the track to finish at. Say 100mm from the front of the baseboard to the edge of the sleeper to ensure a set standard between modules. As Rich said earlier I could fit brass screws for the track to be soldered to. Quote
Dave Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Can we also get a commitment from people who will do this? I will definitely commit to it and take at least 3 modules. Quote
Broithe Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 (edited) It's none of my business, but it seems to me that all that matters is that the board abutments are to a standard - the length of any individual board will have no bearing on compatibility, but be a matter for the constructor and his transport arrangements. Unless the intention is to produce a circuit, of course. Edited October 12, 2013 by Broithe Quote
murrayec Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 Hi Broithe That's a good point on the board abutments- length does not matter on a liner layout and will always work regardless of who turns up to show. A circuit has the problem of- for each modeller's creation their has to be an equal size creation or community track to close the circuit- a little more difficult? murrayec Quote
Broithe Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 It's not my intention to complicate the issue but, if it's thought about and agreed at this stage, then people might be able to avoid unnecessary scenic issues and problems with track layouts where they're trying to avoid board joints that could just be a short distance away in what is a more convenient place for them to be. If it's going to be an end-to-end run, then people could make whatever length suits them, depending upon their home situation, vehicle dimensions, etc.. Feel free to carry on how you like, just my tuppenceworth. Quote
murrayec Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 Hi Dave I'm committed- I cant wait to put the Martellow Tower on a 12x6 and to complete my drawings on Dun Laoghaire station I think it is a bit early in the planning stage just now for some to grasp what's is involved as the spec is not yet agreed. Also we should allow a bit more time for members to find this thread and come on board. Though no problem doing head count along the way murrayec Quote
murrayec Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 Oh I got an enquiry from a non posting member asking if he built Kilkenny station could he connect up and see the DART run through on a special excursion!! murrayec Quote
murrayec Posted October 12, 2013 Author Posted October 12, 2013 It's not my intention to complicate the issue but, if it's thought about and agreed at this stage, then people might be able to avoid unnecessary scenic issues and problems with track layouts where they're trying to avoid board joints that could just be a short distance away in what is a more convenient place for them to be. If it's going to be an end-to-end run, then people could make whatever length suits them, depending upon their home situation, vehicle dimensions, etc.. Feel free to carry on how you like, just my tuppenceworth. Not complicating the issue at all, more difficult means that there has to be a system in place for a circuit which involves the community track boards where a liner set up can be just modellers creations. A circuit layout will fit into small display space easier than a liner one. I should have a few preliminary layouts to look at and return comments. murrayec Quote
Broithe Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Indeed, and if a section from one modeller consists of more than one board, then the connection between those boards does not have to meet the standard - it's only where the 'outside world' is reached that compatibility matters. Quote
IrishModelRail Posted October 12, 2013 Posted October 12, 2013 Broithe hit the nail on the head when he said Genius! I always imagined building the whole Northern Line but never like that. I'd love to build Donabate bordered by two estuaries, the beautiful strecthes of coast at the Lady's Stairs and Gormanston Airfield, a busy Drogheda station with Enteprrise,s Tara Mines and Cement, then Boyne Viaduct and beyond! Quote
BosKonay Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 It would be a great way to get something very exciting and potentially very large together! I think the freemo standards are a great starting point for board joins and alignment and I think stations would need to be single modeller even if over multiple boards or a longer board in the same width and alignment. Quote
Kinvara-Train Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Broithe hit the nail on the head when he said Genius! I always imagined building the whole Northern Line but never like that. I'd love to build Donabate bordered by two estuaries, the beautiful strecthes of coast at the Lady's Stairs and Gormanston Airfield, a busy Drogheda station with Enteprrise,s Tara Mines and Cement, then Boyne Viaduct and beyond! Hi can I ad my Gort Railway Stadion to it thanks to Wanderer for the Pic's Quote
Kinvara-Train Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Lovely - this just gets better.... Thanks, is only 9mX3m and build in Plywood Quote
murrayec Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 Hi Walter Looks excellent, your up and running already murrayec Quote
murrayec Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 Hi All Here are a few sketches and extracts from NMRA & free-mo for discussion;- Anyone know how to attach a pdf to a post? - I have the drawings and thinned out versions of the NMRA & free-mo specs in pdf format. murrayec Quote
murrayec Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 Ah just worked it out pdf drawings and spec sheets Modular OO Layout-00 Sep 13 2013 Prelim Drawings.pdf Free-mo Standard-00.pdf IRM NMRA 00 Modular Layout Spec - Prelim Sep 2013.pdf murrayec Quote
irishthump Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Watching this thread with interest guys! Early days but what are you thinking of doing for control, DC or DCC? IMHO DCC is really the only way to go with a modular layout.... Quote
Kinvara-Train Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Hi Walter Looks excellent, your up and running already murrayec Thank's ready to go,will do at least 2 Quote
murrayec Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 Watching this thread with interest guys! Early days but what are you thinking of doing for control, DC or DCC? IMHO DCC is really the only way to go with a modular layout.... Hi irishthump Most modular systems seem to be running them by DCC. This will have to be discussed with the modellers that get involved- I think it would be great the have a dual system so that analogue could run to- there is a lot of analogue users out there. I know this might cause a lot of difficulty and discussion but we should at least look at the possibility and the problems. murrayec Quote
murrayec Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 Yes Walter When I saw that diorama in Parks Hotel I thought of modular system- it also spurred me on to get at the Martellow Tower thingie! murrayec Quote
murrayec Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 Hi All Here is the Royersford Club Rules in pdf format;- Royersford MMR Club Rules-00.pdf These guys have it quite well worked out, this document refers to running trains and the methods they involve to do so- very helpful. Note; I have not done any editing on this yet Have a read and post your comments murrayec Quote
Kinvara-Train Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 Yes Walter When I saw that diorama in Parks Hotel I thought of modular system- it also spurred me on to get at the Martellow Tower thingie! murrayec any new Pic's from the martellow Tower ??? Quote
murrayec Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 It would be a great way to get something very exciting and potentially very large together!I think the freemo standards are a great starting point for board joins and alignment and I think stations would need to be single modeller even if over multiple boards or a longer board in the same width and alignment. Hi BosKonay I just did a calculation on an 8 coach DART;- it is 2157mm long so going on this a station platform would be over 3 boards to allow for trains of 8 coach and the engine. Here is a sketch idea for a Viaduct and this design could be used for the Dalkey Hill Tunnel- the lower section would be the beach! The sketch is over two boards in this example. murrayec Quote
murrayec Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 any new Pic's from the martellow Tower ??? Hi Walter No, have not been back to it- building 7 DARTs at the moment, 4 on the go and 3 waiting for parts murrayec Quote
Dave Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 DCC is definitely the way to go, we could run a single line along the main line for analogue. It would be a nightmare to try run the two together. The big question is what DCC controller? If we have a long run train control will need to be handed over along the way. What about JMRI and a sprog? Any ideas? Quote
irishthump Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 DCC is definitely the way to go, we could run a single line along the main line for analogue. It would be a nightmare to try run the two together. The big question is what DCC controller? If we have a long run train control will need to be handed over along the way. What about JMRI and a sprog? Any ideas? Good points.... We're dealing with a small pool of DCC users and there isn't much consistency when it comes to what brand of controller they use. Also if you're handing over a controller when running the layout it either needs to be wireless or you need sockets at various points. Quote
murrayec Posted October 13, 2013 Author Posted October 13, 2013 Hi Dave I reckon they would only be run separately - analogue or digital. Computer scheduling is a good idea and probably the only way to set up timetable and keep an order to the system. DCC control systems should comply with the most compatible system over the different makes - we will have to look into this? The Royersford Modular Club Rules pdf document I posted earlier has a section on this- refer to pdf. murrayec Quote
Dave Posted October 13, 2013 Posted October 13, 2013 oops [ATTACH=CONFIG]9612[/ATTACH] I like that idea Eoin, what about this as a corner? Quote
murrayec Posted October 14, 2013 Author Posted October 14, 2013 Hi Guys I watched a couple of vids last night and came across one of a guy building modules and he had a good point to say about alignment dowels;- 'using the C-Clamps eliminates the need for dowels, which can cause trouble if a builder gets them slightly off line. The forces in the clamp hold the boards rigid with no movement, thus eliminating the dowels and makes life easier' murrayec Quote
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