Broithe Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 I just picked up a Fleischmann reinigungswagen in a charity shop. It has a couple of fairly weighty rotating brass discs with felt inserts that bear down on the top of the rails and are then rotated by a belt that is driven by the wheel axles as it goes along. The wagon body is weghted to provide friction to drive the belt properly. Looks a well made thing. An interesting object, anyway. Quote
UP6936 Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Very interesting little contraption, is it easy to switch out the couplers for either tension locks/kadees? Quote
irishthump Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Very interesting little contraption, is it easy to switch out the couplers for either tension locks/kadees? It looks like the couplers are fitted in NEM pockets so it's just a straight swap. Quote
Broithe Posted March 17, 2014 Author Posted March 17, 2014 It looks like the couplers are fitted in NEM pockets so it's just a straight swap. They do look like they are - but, they're not. However, they do look fairly compatible to the small tension-lock type.. ..it wouldn't be a huge bodge to modify them, though. ( I notice that the belt is missing in this picture ) Quote
UP6936 Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 From that angle the couplers do look a lot more compatible. Can a replacement belt be sourced? Quote
Broithe Posted March 17, 2014 Author Posted March 17, 2014 From that angle the couplers do look a lot more compatible. Can a replacement belt be sourced? A small elastic band shouldn't be too hard to find at the right size. Mine still has the belt for now. Quote
Broithe Posted March 17, 2014 Author Posted March 17, 2014 They still make a version of it - so, spares should be available from a Fleischmann dealer - my German isn't up to it... http://www.fleischmann.de/en/productsearch/0-556701-0-0-0-0-0-0/products.html Quote
Dunluce Castle Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Wow, I've never heard or seen anything like this before, the Germans really are good at their engineering. Quote
Warbonnet Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 The second picture is an older version, pre NEM standards. They've been making these for a long time. Nice find btw, wish my local charity shops carried such interesting treasures. Must alert the mother to keep an eye out for interesting stuff in the one she volunteers in... Quote
Broithe Posted March 17, 2014 Author Posted March 17, 2014 The second picture is an older version, pre NEM standards. They've been making these for a long time. Nice find btw, wish my local charity shops carried such interesting treasures. Must alert the mother to keep an eye out for interesting stuff in the one she volunteers in... Ah, they are different - mine is the older one with the 'fixed' swivelling couplers - the new ones, which have NEMS sockets, are around €40, aparently. In my town here, there are sixteen charity shops - it's a full-time job going round 'em all.... Quote
rajaman Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 Great find, I have one but the felt is well worn & presumed that they were not produced anymore , so your find has led to another great find for me ,Fleischmann still do spares! Delighted Quote
Broithe Posted March 17, 2014 Author Posted March 17, 2014 Great find, I have one but the felt is well worn & presumed that they were not produced anymore , so your find has led to another great find for me ,Fleischmann still do spares! Delighted I have been unable to navigate the spares system - Our 'Sentinel' is German, I think, we might have to lean on him... Quote
rajaman Posted March 17, 2014 Posted March 17, 2014 I have been unable to navigate the spares system - Our 'Sentinel' is German, I think, we might have to lean on him... I think that's the best option as I've been unable to crack their enigma either, by the way the Fleischmann site reacts I doubt they do them but we never know..., Mark Quote
Broithe Posted March 17, 2014 Author Posted March 17, 2014 (edited) I think that's the best option as I've been unable to crack their enigma either, by the way the Fleischmann site reacts I doubt they do them but we never know..., Mark That's what it looked like to me, but that seems a bit odd - we need an 'insider' to probe the system... I have sent a message to our agent in Germany.... Edited March 17, 2014 by Broithe Quote
Sentinel281 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Hi, your agent from germany's speaking ;-) what exactly do you need from the spares section? The belt? The felt pads? They surely still produce spares. I regard the Fleischmann site as crap, not only from the actual serch but also from earlier experiences. They write you should type in the product id to get an "Explosionszeichnung", whatever this is in english, it should show the model as a diagram in exploded state. Out of that you ought to take the spares part number to order. I tried several times, but to no avail. I know a good specialist that seems to have nearly every spare part from the Modelleisenbahn Gmbh which is infact the holding of Roco and Fleischmann. He's even known to find a spare part without number, just by description. If you could name the parts you need I would try to make an inquiry if he can deliver the parts and what the costs for sending them to Ireland were. Please apologize my bad english, at the moment I am learning swedish which is not very helpful for my english knowledge and one Bulmers less last night also would have led to more mental activity... Thought it was appropriate to go to the local irish pub on March, 17th... Quote
Broithe Posted March 18, 2014 Author Posted March 18, 2014 Hi, your agent from germany's speaking ;-) what exactly do you need from the spares section? The belt? The felt pads? They surely still produce spares. I regard the Fleischmann site as crap, not only from the actual serch but also from earlier experiences. They write you should type in the product id to get an "Explosionszeichnung", whatever this is in english, it should show the model as a diagram in exploded state. Out of that you ought to take the spares part number to order. I tried several times, but to no avail. I know a good specialist that seems to have nearly every spare part from the Modelleisenbahn Gmbh which is infact the holding of Roco and Fleischmann. He's even known to find a spare part without number, just by description. If you could name the parts you need I would try to make an inquiry if he can deliver the parts and what the costs for sending them to Ireland were. Please apologize my bad english, at the moment I am learning swedish which is not very helpful for my english knowledge and one Bulmers less last night also would have led to more mental activity... Thought it was appropriate to go to the local irish pub on March, 17th... Good work, you got the same result as me. I asked my Dutch agent and he got a bit further.. Here is what I have found until now: You might have already found the following site at Fleischmann for ordering spare parts: http://www.fleischmann.de/de/service/spareparts/index.html Unfortunately I cannot find a detailed drawing with partlist of this wagon. With these part numbers you can look for spares. The model number of this wagon seems to be 5569. After searching the internet I found the spare part for the cleaning discs (set of 10). This number was 00355569. Thus the four last digits of the spare part are the model number. I have now found the following two spare parts in the database that could be for your wagon....... 00355569 - REINIGUNGSSCHEIBEN (Cleaning discs) 00365569 - ANTRIEBSRIEMEN (driving belt) But it could be all much easier with a drawing and partlist....... ..but. he says that the belts are out of stock.. Explosionszeichnung = exploded view. Quote
Tarabuses Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Gaugemaster say they are out of stock but available to order: http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=FM355569&r=1 http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=FM365569&r=1 Quote
Sentinel281 Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 The dealer I thougt of is APC Adams, somewhere in Germany. If you would like me to ask him, please let me know. I guess sending a letter to Ireland cannot cost a fortune, and one belt plus 10 or 20 disks will not be more than a letter. Nevertheless it could be cheaper for you to order in the UK, so as mentioned above: If you want me to, I will ask Mr Adams. BTW: I'm quite sure that the spare parts mentioned above are appropriate for your wagon, but as you describe it, it is an even older version than the last #5569, as this last one already hat NEM-Pockets, but without coulisse. Yours seems to be the one that I do know from a friend when we were about eight or ten or so. In this times every manufacturer in mainland Europe had its own fixture for the couplers. Awful. Nothin' about "good old times", it was just a heck to run after the different couplers if one broke. Quote
rajaman Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Good work, you got the same result as me. I asked my Dutch agent and he got a bit further.. ..but. he says that the belts are out of stock.. Explosionszeichnung = exploded view. Broithe, your European network is worth it's weight in fishplates , thanks Sentinal & Fonzie & thanks to Tony re gaugemaster ,I'll stick a vid up when I get it working Quote
Broithe Posted March 18, 2014 Author Posted March 18, 2014 Broithe, your European network is worth it's weight in fishplates Information is power. I keep a small, widely scattered network - and ensure that none of the operatives ever meet each other - it's a basic KGB/CIA-style system. Quote
rajaman Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 Well Broithe I got digging & dug out my Fleischmann cleaning wagon it's in shocking condition, felt has been worn away & the belt has just disappeared ... So stuck it on the track , took a few shots with the camera with a little homage to the Fleischmann video you posted earlier, if you do watch it be worned the editing is complete RTE & it's a bit Long winded. I will defo need a track cleaner after running some old hornby goods wagons.... [video=youtube_share;gtnCyDF9bDA] Quote
Broithe Posted March 19, 2014 Author Posted March 19, 2014 Excellent - I wouldn't be too surprised of the pads do rotate somewhat, even without the belt - the centres seem slightly offset from the line of the rail and that should have some turning effect imparted to them as the wagon moves. Might be worth putting a mark on the edge and seeing what happens. Quote
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