Phoenix Park Tunnel Services - draft timetable.

[Broithe]

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/phoenixparktunnelpublicconsultation

[hurricanemk1c]

So peak-time only, Monday to Friday and minor changes thereafter (a slight pain for me, finishing college at 1700 and the Limerick being advanced by 5 minutes)

[jhb171achill]

Very misleading layout. A passenger - sorry, "customer" - will assume that a train can get you from Docklands to Pearse in two minutes.

[hurricanemk1c]

Where does it mention Docklands? Grand Canal Dock is south of Pearse (about half a mile)

[Junctionmad]

Goodness , Waterford Limerick services are very hard to determine , being buried in a bizarre

Dublin Hueston -Dublin Hueston and you'd think a timetable unchanged since the late 70s might need changing , given the boat trains are gone and rosslare isntt accessible , talk about a twilight service

[jhb171achill]

Where does it mention Docklands? Grand Canal Dock is south of Pearse (about half a mile)

 

 

 

Aaarrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me being STUPID! Getting them mixed up - both uninspiring halts.....!

[hurricanemk1c]

Aaarrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me being STUPID! Getting them mixed up - both uninspiring halts.....!

 

Happens to all of us!

[Broithe]

Latest news - http://www.irishrail.ie/news/phoenixparktimes

[Noel]

Latest news - http://www.irishrail.ie/news/phoenixparktimes

 

Interesting video clip on that link

 

[jhb171achill]

After almost a week in Vienna recently, I saw a city some 25% larger than Dublin with seamless, and in some cases 24 hour, tram, bus and underground railway lines. We have two tram lines, the red one not being all that speedy ("luas"?!) and Vienna has 177km of trams. There are some 6 or 8 separate underground lines covering all areas; we have none. Buses almost seem superfluous, and nobody ever takes their car into town. There's absolutely no need. Our roads are choked with buses and cars.

 

Dublin's population will exceed that of Northern Ireland, i.e. will be 20% larger, within 15 years. this will make it equal to Vienna's. We NEED a system like this, and for that matter it might be of interest to readers to know that drivers of trains, trams and buses in Vienna - where the cost of living is almost exactly the same as Dublin - earn some 65% of what they earn here. Just sayin'.

 

Against this background, and doubtless many others like it, all this fuss about one tunnel is just pathetic.

 

Oh yes; Austria has a similiar number of taxpayers to Ireland.

[Broithe]

Any improvement, however small and however late, is to be welcomed for what it is. Extra usage will provide extra revenue - and extra pressure for further improvements. Is this isn't seen as a "success", than that reduces the likelihood for any further improvements.

 

I've some experience of the Prague public transport system , probably very similar to Vienna's. That will have been up and running at a time when car ownership was at a much lower level than it is now. It wouldn't be easy for anybody to justify the expenditure or the disruption that would be needed to build it now.

[jhb171achill]

Any improvement, however small and however late, is to be welcomed for what it is. Extra usage will provide extra revenue - and extra pressure for further improvements. Is this isn't seen as a "success", than that reduces the likelihood for any further improvements.

 

I've some experience of the Prague public transport system , probably very similar to Vienna's. That will have been up and running at a time when car ownership was at a much lower level than it is now. It wouldn't be easy for anybody to justify the expenditure or the disruption that would be needed to build it now.

 

All very true, Broithe.....however...... difficult, expensive or not, Dublin will absolutely have to have more public transport. There's no room above ground. The soon they start the better and the longer they leave it the more difficult it will get.

 

Time for the traditional Dublin whinging to be silenced; we need this nationally, as a plan, so the normal standards of "me, self and I" and "compensation compensation compensation" will eventually have to be overtaken by national necessity...

 

And I agree that the tunnel is a start.

Edited November 18, 2016 by jhb171achill

[Broithe]

"The future is somebody else's problem" is an easy policy to follow, and can be a surprisingly popular one.

[jhb171achill]

That IS the problem! 1958 Harcourt Street closure, 1976 G V Street closure......!!

[Junctionmad]

All very true, Broithe.....however...... difficult, expensive or not, Dublin will absolutely have to have more public transport. There's no room above ground. The soon they start the better and the longer they leave it the more difficult it will get.

 

Time for the traditional Dublin whinging to be silenced; we need this nationally, as a plan, so the normal standards of "me, self and I" and "compensation compensation compensation" will eventually have to be overtaken by national necessity...

 

And I agree that the tunnel is a start.

Won't happen until we stop " one fur all in the audience " capital funding approach. Wrc being a classic case

[Barl]

Glad to see the tunnel is finally going to be opened to passenger traffic once again. Is there any other locations where light rail will travel over heavy rail - once the LCC is complete?

 

As for those giving out about Dublins' public transport system; having lived in Auckland for the past 6 months - a city of similar population to Dublin with the same urban sprawl issues - it makes the public transport system in Dublin seem fantastic in comparison and makes the M50 at rush hour seem free-flowing!

[thewanderer]

Evening all,

 

Iarnród Éireann launched their new commuter services connecting stations between Newbridge and Parkwest with Connolly to Grand Canal Dock via the Phoenix Park Tunnel line on Monday 21st November.

 

The introduction of the new services follows an investment of €13.7 million in upgrading the Phoenix Park Tunnel route, funded by the National Transport Authority.

 

Seven new morning peak trains to Grand Canal Dock, and eight new evening peak trains from Grand Canal Dock begin on Monday 21st November, with limited stop services in the opposite direction.

 

Passenger loadings on the two inbound services this morning which I travelled on were very healthy and it is a good indication that it will be a popular service in the coming years.

 

This is the first phase of services to operate via the Phoenix Park Tunnel. Iarnród Éireann and the National Transport Authority plan to expand services in the future to include off-peak and weekend services.

 

Click http://smu.gs/2gvoIZS to view. There will also be a video uploaded to the gallery and pictures of one of the evening peak workings later this evening (all going to plan).

 

[Junctionmad]

rumor is that the rosslare service will now be stripped of ICRs to divert to this new service , OMG

[hurricanemk1c]

rumor is that the rosslare service will now be stripped of ICRs to divert to this new service , OMG

 

Where did you hear that from? Nothing like that is happening at the moment and not immediately planned, as the ICRs are provided from the Heuston side by re-organising the diagrams (such as bringing back a Mark 4 set, releasing a few units)

[thewanderer]

rumor is that the rosslare service will now be stripped of ICRs to divert to this new service , OMG

 

Nothing like a good rumour. No truth in it what so ever.

[craven1508]

if only they went from Athlone!! . would that be a better starting point?

[Junctionmad]

Nothing like a good rumour. No truth in it what so ever.

 

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