NIR open wagons

[paulincelbridge]

Hi guys, I am looking for drawings or photos of NIR open wagons, ex-Cortaulds in particular. I am looking at modelling some old spoil wagons, the cut down version.

[jhb171achill]

Most NIR opens were, as you say, cut down wooden opens. They were fairly standard across the board. Most were NCC with a few GNR - same design basically. Get one of Leslie's and give it a lick of paint (or, indeed, brake dust and filth!).

If you want to scratch build, I don't know where you'd get a drawing - though many here might - but a few kits or bought standard wooden opens from one of the British lines would probably do too, unless you'd be a "rivet counter"!

[paulincelbridge]

Thanks for the details. Not being a rivet counter, I was indeed looking at cutting down a couple of British RTR wagons. Were the NCC/GNR wagons all the same wheelbase or where there differences?

 

[Dhu Varren]

Here is a drawing for an NCC 12T open wagon built about 1942 by the LNER to replace air raid damaged stock. 150 were built.

 

[paulincelbridge]

Excellent, thanks!

[steventrain]

Some images in link

https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/5221-goods-wagons-in-the-fifties-and-a-uta-example/

Edited January 2, 2020 by steventrain

[paulincelbridge]

Thanks

[jhb171achill]

GNR and NCC and GSR / CIE - pretty much the same, and I think the same wheelbase.

Any RTR would do.

[NIR]

5 plank, interesting... I thought they were 4 plank, or were they built (or rebuilt) as 4 plank?

The Cambrian C58 kit comes very close with a 5 plank body 70mm long, 32mm wide and 14mm high on a wooden solebar/drawbar.

The wheelbase is 36mm but looks extendable to 40mm as the solebar and W irons come on two different layers. The end stanchions can be trimmed to a taper with some cutters and 1mm x 1mm brass L section used to make the stanchions either side of the door. The two door springs can be formed from staples. With sides cut down to 2 plank the diagonal strapping stops just in the right place too.

Edited January 2, 2020 by NIR

[KMCE]

This may help?

 

Regards,

Ken

[paulincelbridge]

Thanks guys, this is all good info. I will post photos of my attempts once I start.

[Dhu Varren]

The four plank wagon seems to have been the most numerous type in service, and I can't say that I have seen a 'cut down' version of a 5 plank wagon.

Here is a picture of a 12T 5 plank wagon. Probably from the 1941 built batch.

 Pictures of 'cut down' wagons at Whitehead and Downpatrick.

Picture of 4 plank wagon C32 at Downpatrick.

[paulincelbridge]

Great photos! I also thought the "cut down" wagons were from 4 plank and not 5 plank. I will try modifying a RTR 5 plank first though as that's what I have.

 

[Colin_McLeod]

On 1/3/2020 at 2:57 PM, paulincelbridge said:

Great photos! I also thought the "cut down" wagons were from 4 plank and not 5 plank. I will try modifying a RTR 5 plank first though as that's what I have.

 

 

On 1/3/2020 at 1:15 PM, Dhu Varren said:

The four plank wagon seems to have been the most numerous type in service, and I can't say that I have seen a 'cut down' version of a 5 plank wagon.

Do I detect crossed wires/understanding?

[jhb171achill]

Note, too, for the purists, the different styles of lettering for "U T" and "C32" stencils, as opposed to the more UTA-esque style for "12T" and the tare weight below.

[paulincelbridge]

On 1/31/2020 at 11:45 AM, Colin_McLeod said:

 

Do I detect crossed wires/understanding?

I don't think so Colin, we are agreed that the cut down wagons were mostly if not all 4 plank. I am suggesting using a 5 plank purely as a "fun" exercise to get a representation of the style and not an attempt to make anything close to the reality.