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Just to add that the wagons also took on a different appearance when wet and dry, as they were caked in cement and muck after all. In the two pictures above, the top wagon is dry but in the second photo, the wagon looks like it had a soaking a while back. Indeed the wagon in the second photo had been stored at Limerick for some time, which may have had an effect on its appearance, as it hadn't been subjected to normal traffic conditions for some time. If weathering replicating the top wagon in the photo could be replicated by the factory, I for one would be more than happy with that, as that is generally how they appeared when in traffic.

Excellent stuff, and then of course some wagons ran without any logo. The choice of logos/no logo allows anyone to model the wagons in the CIE/IR/I.E. era's, which covers most of their working lives. Looking forward to seeing the artwork for these iconic wagons. P.S. Any hints on Project 3?

If the finish is on a par with the Dapol Silver Bullets, then would definitely be interested in weathered. Will the wagons have Irish Cement or CIE logos as both would have existed on the final ivory livery?

There were 9 carriages destroyed in a fire at Athlone in 1942. Would anyone happen to know the numbers of the carriages concerned?

If the model is based on CIE drawing No. 468, then the main dimensions and their corresponding rounded conversion to 4mm scale should be as follows, if my calculations are correct : Length over buffers : 23' 6.25" = 282.25" = 94.33mm Length over underframe : 20' 0" = 240" = 80.21mm Hopper length : 15' 0" = 180" = 60.157mm Overall height : 8' 9" = 105" = 35.09mm Top of hopper side to top of curve on hopper end : 6" = 2mm Hopper height from top of underframe to top of hopper side : 4' 3" = 51" = 17.04mm Underframe height : 10" = 3.34mm Height top of rail to bottom of underframe : 3' 2" = 38" = 12.7mm Bottom of hopper discharge to top of rail : 1' 3" = 15" = 5.01mm Wheel diameter : 3' 1.5" = 37.5" = 12.53mm Pretty much every model ever made has some variation on the real dimensions and their associated conversion to a scale model, so I expect that is also the case on this model. However, to my mind, the model is certainly an excellent representation of the real thing.

Here is a pic of a cement bubble wagon (same chassis) next to a 141 Class loco for comparison. Looks pretty spot on to me. http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery/Irish%20Locomotives/141%20Class/IrishLocomotives.html#168_20050129_001_CC_JA.jpg

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Will the third model still be using the same wagon base just to try and narrow the clues down a bit?

Seriously considering it. Don't tell Wrenneire though

Thought the detail level on the ballast was amazing, but have to say I'm blown away with the detail level on the bubble. I will seriously have to get a second job or a bank loan at this rate :tumbsup:

Looks amazing.

Is it possible to increase the initial batch run to, say, 400, 450 or 500 packs, or would you have to do another full batch of 333 packs? Was hoping to get a second batch of 5 packs, but am happy I at least have enough ordered for one full rake.

When is the next instalment due if you're using the payment plan? Do you get a payment request or how does it work? Excellent news on hitting the 75% sales figures.

A photo of that livery appears in the new Irish Railway Rambler book. It shows the loco at Connolly Station, so it did make it out onto the mainline.

Good to hear. I would hazard a guess that you would be looking at two, maybe three body variations, depending on how they are designed, to cover the class from introduction to withdrawal. Main differences are handrails, windows and marker lights, the position of which differed on various loco's in their latter days. In any case, it's a most welcome development considering the uncertainty that hung over the release of the 121 by MM, and I'm sure that they will at least equal their previous loco releases in terms of detail.

The small cab windows were also blocked off on some or all loco's in their IE days. Possibly other body modifications aswell over the course of their careers.

Excellent news. Definitely be getting some 121's. The fact that MM doing the grey and IE liveries would indicate different body variations for the 121. That just leaves the A Class to be done in RTR......who will take the bait......Murphy Models or Irish Railway Models?

That's exactly what happened, Jonathan. IE are carrying out emergency works there today, placing rock armour at the narrowest point, and there is planned OPW works to place rock armour for about 55 metres along the eroded section starting at the end of the month, which should have the effect of just shoving the erosion further up along the coast. Sure that will be next years problem..... What is required here is coastal protection all the way northwards up to about Five Mile Point, but you are looking at millions of euro in cost there, so I won't hold my breath.

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Flooding is the least of the Rosslare line's problems at Wicklow Murrough. It's about to join up with the sea shortly. A good 2-3 metres of beach were eroded during Storm Frank i.e. there was 2 metres or more of beach in front of the gorse bushes at the narrowest point in the photo before the storm. Another big storm or two and the integrity of the railway line will most likely be compromised. The second photo showing the erosion since last year, shows the storm damage in December 2015 after Storm Desmond. First photo shows damage after the latest storm, Storm Frank.

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Absolutely amazing layout, with excellent craftsmanship in all aspects. Personally, I think it's the buildings and structures that make this layout stand out from the crowd. Maybe Scahalane can post some more close up or general photos of the buildings on the layout.

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