dave182

While I'm not a Mod I am an active member of this site and I don't like to see threads like this being played out, where there is a dispute or misunderstanding between members. Can I point out the following from the forum rules: [12] IrishRailwayModeller.com is not responsible for member-to-member transactions resulting from contact made through these forums (e.g. 'For Sale or Wanted' and 'Swapmeet'). I would encourage the two members to try to make contact with each other and resolve the issue. I would ask the mods to lock this thread. As it was brought up above, small traders do not need to be registered for VAT, or if goods are being traded as a hobby/past-time then the supplier is generally exempt from VAT and so on. Of course the rules and regulations around sale of goods will still apply.

I assume then that the DVT will have a similar fading out of the black and the 2 colours?! All very exciting!

How often would an enterprise loco get a cosmetic wash? How often are locos washed in general? Would washes be included in maintenance schedules?

Oh I like that! First time I've ever warmed to a 201 livery... Wondering is it weather and grime friendly though?? How will it look after 3 or 4 weeks in service?

Great pics! The MkIV set climbing up the bank at Killarney is some sight, with the carriages at many different angles!

Not justifying quality issues here, but there are big big supply chain problems in China at the moment in a number of areas. Falling demand for goods in general has lead to higher costs, loss of skilled labour, and a number of specialist manufacturers of the component parts going bust. (to name but only a few of the multitude of issues!) Hornby, for example, had a number of set back throughout the past 2 years as a direct result of this uncertain market, so I would assume the Paddy Murphy is small fish in the grand scheme of things. It's catch 22 for everyone: No Paddy Murphy, no rtr models of the Irish scene. With Paddy Murphy, but poor, unreliable pool of suppliers in China, probably gonna get some hic-ups along the way. I have been sourcing product from China for many years and with the best of intentions it is so hit and miss. When problems do occur it's very hard to remedy. Bond and insurance normally only cover transit. So you try and choose a supplier with the best reputation. But from time to time you are let down, and it is very infuriating! So look, the solution as a 'customer' is quite simple. If you have bought these Mk2s and they are not up to scratch, return them to your supplier/shop and get a refund. Simple. You'll be disappointed but that's just how it is. Ensure you explain to the retailer why you are unhappy with the product so he can feed back to Paddy. If you have bought them and are unhappy, but in a kind of 'I can live with it' way, then again make sure that you go back to your retailer and explain how you feel. Ask for a discount on your next purchase for example. If you are over-the-moon happy with your Mk2s and they are not showing any flaws, then let your retailer know this too! Sometimes we forget to give praise when it's due. The fact of the matter is this. Unfortunately there appears to be flaws. It's highly unlikely that they are going back to China. If after a month or 2 have passed and Paddy Murphy is looking at a pile of unsold stock or a load of returns from Retailers then he will have to take action of some sort. This would probably involve negotiating some kind of compensation or reduced final bill from his manufacturer, which in turn might lead to a reduction of the retail price, with the product being sold 'as is'. Disappointing all round, and will certainly put a question mark on future releases.

JHB- I'm still laughing at your very informative and funny post above! It sums up the situation perfectly, and we all forget that technology was a lot different back then in terms of mixing paint, and the paint ingredients and colour charts. Now, off to Vinny Byrnes tomorrow for 2 cans of 'Exceptionally slightly more orange' and a small tin of 'Distinctly, but only slightly more orange'!!!

More reference material here... I think the jury is going to be out on this for a long time! Mk2s in supertrain livery feature, and I deffo think that the coaches, in reality, are lighter in colour than the orange on the 071s of the day.

Now that's more like it!! They look great!

Excuse my ignorance... Is this photo real? As in was this taken recently and where? Put me out of my misery Glenderg!

Good question Frank! I don't recall seeing mixed rakes. By the looks of things they must have focused on these when rolling out this new image, because all of the other coaching stock and loco's seem to have been done very ad-hoc, and over a prolonged period of time. Hope someone can shed some light on this.

Yeah, I think you guys are right. I'm looking back at the video 'Irish rail freight today' from 1993 and the some of the tanks filmed are nearly black with dirt. Unbelievable how dirty they got.

In anticipation of the release of the SSM model, I've been browsing the web for info/images. As Modellers we love when there is a deviation from the norm, and I think I've found one regarding the Ammonia tank livery. Take a look at the rake pictured in this early black and white photo (credit: http://www.geograph.ie). Note the last tank wagon is black! (or a very very dark something) Never ever seen that before. Just delivered? Mid repairs maybe? http://http://www.geograph.ie/photo/3266202

Thanks Warbonnet! That must have been some sight in real life, and yours is just as mind blowing in miniature!

Without going off topic too much, what would have been the longest freight trains (loose coupled 2 axle wagons as per Warbonnets video) to run in the UK when these wagons were the norm? I'm thinking coal trains, or long distance mixed goods between London and the north? Would 86 to 90 wagons be realistic? Mods: start new thread if necessary from this post (thanks!)

Just a thought, that Duckhams wagon looks a bit like the tanks that run on the weedspray train. They are on demountable ISO frames.

Taxi for Josefstadt....

More per way "clickbaiting" dave!.... Your most cryptic one yet Glenderg, not quite following!?! Yeah I'm amazed at how little is left, and following up on the 4-wheeled cement bubbles, the latest sweep of google satellites over Platin Cement works shows many of the sidings removed, so looks fairly unlikely that cement will ever be carried on IE rails any time soon. JHB's comments on the pallet ferts raises another question. I know the Ammonia Tanks were leased from a French company. When IFI closed what happened to these wagons? Were they scrapped here in Ireland or did they get a new lease of life somewhere else?

Just wondering what 4-wheeled/ 2-axle wagons are left on the network at this stage?? With all the limelight been taken by the mk3s going this summer, I'm wondering what else IE have cut up? Are any cement bubbles left for example?

Nice pics Hurricane! As an aside, that has to be the tidiest I've ever seen North Wall Yard, now that all the Mk3s are gone!!

Looking for close ups of the 2-axle and bogie versions of the axle-carriers that operate out of Limerick, and I've seen them around Inchicore, and occasionally out in Fairview. I'm assuming they might also make an appearance at Drogheda and Portlaoise depots? Are bogie sets ever carried by rail here? Thanks in advance, Dave

Just wondering with all this talk of a cold winter coming, what do Irish Rail have in their arsenal to deal with heavy snow falls, or ice on overhead lines? Do they own snow ploughs for example? I was lucky enough to have missed the 2010 cold spells, so don't remember if there was much in the way of disruptions. Any picks of historical IE/CIE equipment? Here's a great story I found to get the ball rolling! http://www.westontrack.com/history12.htm Hardy bucks!

Hi All. I've really enjoyed this exercise and let me first thank Warbonnet for taking the time to post the survey. The banter has been great, and even a little heated at times, but very thought provoking with some great input. My interpretation of the survey are this: 110 votes in total, of which 81 would prepay for a model. If each pledged €150 towards a loco model the pool total would only be €12,150, clearly a long way off what would be required. Add to this the range of suggestions posted to this thread and it becomes even less of a runner. This forum is a great resource for Irish Railway modellers but is only part of the picture. It's great to see contributions from the likes of Leslie who brought us the Bell containers, and I know for a fact that other suppliers and retailers will watch this poll from afar. The unfortunate reality is that the market is small, and we will have to hope that people like Paddy Murphy have the drive to keep producing Irish models. The one glimmer of hope that I see are the advances being made with 3D printing. I think all of us have had some experience of this process by now, but with mixed results. It's only new technology, and I hope these early experiences don't put the designers off when it comes to investing time in their models. As an example- Glenderg has obviously been plugging away at some projects as he outlined in this post earlier, and I would hope that the 3D printing technology catches up to his high standards and maybe allows him or people like him to make a few quid aswell! Final thoughts, I thinks it's clear that crowd funding is not a runner, so I'm gonna have to resort to begging letters addressed to Mr. P. Murphy for the 121 project to start! I'll take 5 please!

Can anyone give me a quick overview of Westrail- stock, operating period, demise?

Top 3 in order of preference: 121 Class rtr A Class rtr CIE 20' container with side doors on rtr chassis