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How's the progress with the vans Rob? John Bruce.

The Tenshodo Motor bogie and 21mm gauge. May I start by saying I've not had a wonderful relationship with the traditional Iron cored motor as used in the older Tenshodo motor bogies, and this combined with only 14:1 gearing was a recipe for poor running (for me anyway), I will say however that the gear sets are spot on for restoring AHM Minitrains HOn30 locos from the 60's & 70's....sorry thread drift and I've not even started yet! In the world of 009 the greatest thing since sliced bread (debatable!) has been the KATO 4 wheel drive chassis (made I believe for N gauge trams and rail buses) to be found under such unlikely bedfellows as Glyn Valley Tram locos all the way to "skirted" Quarry Hunslets, don't get me started. The launch of a new version with a coreless motor gives it even better performance than before. So when I saw that Tenshodo now did a coreless version of their original motor bogies I thought it out to worth a look with a view to converting one to 21mm gauge, so as it comes out of the box and without any "running in" it didn't perform too badly, not quite as good as an N gauge KATO but better than they used to be. Attached should be a couple of photos of one I have done so far, more details and photos will follow in due course but please be patient. John Bruce.

This is I'm afraid the future, unless some highly skilled person want's to sink an incredible amount of money into an enterprise guaranteed to give no appreciable return. Sorry, but the emphasis of the hobby has changed and not necessarily to the kit builder (or budding kit builder) advantage I'm afraid. John Bruce.

Thanks for all the input folks, much food for thought. John Bruce.

Coaches seem something of a hot topic at the moment, and much as I dislike coaches (particularly the building of them, and painting, and fitting out, and..........) having seen a photo from 1974 of a G class on a passenger service at Dunsandle I've got to ask, what sort of time window were G class used on passenger workings (I know the early ones weren't as they were not vacuum fitted). The period I'm interested in would be the early 60's or would this be too early for them to be given such tasks, but if they were at this time what sort of passenger stock would be used? Something ancient found in some long forgotten corner of the rail system or a more modern vehicle with a modicum of comfort, I can say that a 6 wheeled coach gives a better ride than 4 wheels anytime, proved on the Mid Suffolk Railway last month (I'm not that old!). John Bruce.

Thank you very much for posting this thread, I am sooooo hoping I can get mine finished before a RTR model becomes available. Mine is destined to be in grubby Silver.....but where is the time going? John Bruce.

Or Latin? John Bruce.

Ooh, yes please. A kit builder. AKA John Bruce.

May I also put my hand up for one of these vans if they become available, being awkward & English I am hoping that it will be amenable to conversion to 21mm gauge. John Bruce.

Is this the current froth subject. Hat & coat time? John Bruce.

It is a cracking little engine! John Bruce.

Gone to a nice man who lives in Wiltshire, cattle wagon my way in exchange, thanks Andy. John Bruce.

As a former service engineer may I make a hopefully helpful suggestion...rather than hiding the pick-ups away somewhere in the back of beyond at least have them (of whatever pattern) where you can get at them for cleaning without removing locomotive bodies and so on. Trust me life will be so much simpler. John Bruce.

Here I am living the wrong side of the Irish Sea and being a builder of small layouts I confess to having a struggle with IRM's idea of "Triple Packs", I mean I won't need that many wagons (slight exaggeration!), however I have bitten the bullet and bought IRM Pack 1 with 3 nice Bulleid H vans inside and was wondering if anyone here in the UK would like one of these in exchange for a grey Palvan, mine are all as new, unused and can be your choice of wagon number. Let me know what you think. John Bruce.

Living here in North Hampshire I am quite lucky in having three model shops within easy driving distance (if you can afford the fuel!) plus a lively exhibition scene. As far as Heljan goes I had a Class 33 which all the "experts" told me had all the wrong curves on the cabs (nothing wrong with a few curves!) but ran like a dream even after I converted it to EM gauge, while currently I have one of their Class 07's in 00 which also is a superb runner so no grumbles from me there. But even as a 009 modeller I wouldn't touch the L&B loco's with a barge pole! John Bruce.

Seems to be about the going rate IMHO. John Bruce.

Some of those old tins might well surprise you with how long lasting they can be! John Bruce.

Scalefour stores are for members only except at Scaleforum (where you are teated as a guest) and so on, except if you have a friend who is a member and can do some shopping for you, hopefully I have some 21mm gauge axles on the way to me! Working to EM standards I don't mind doing some work on the W irons. John Bruce.

I must admit I am currently experimenting with a widened set of etched brass W irons to see about fitting them to one of Leslies earlier wagons, not for the possible advantages of compensation but for the look and strength of the thing! If successful then I'll get some proper old style RCH pattern to give a slightly lighter appearance. John Bruce.

For a small class of locomotives it seems quite a minefield, thank you all for your help and advice. As far as my G class (Worsley Works) is concerned we have a footplate and frames up together, angle brackets (footplate to frames) next and I'm not looking forward to those, vacuum pipes (lost wax brass) are sorted though. Must take some photo's before too long. John Bruce.

Leslie, are these for 16.5mm or 21mm gauge? John Bruce.

Thanks very much for that Paul, not sure how I missed the G class list. Cheers. John Bruce.

So, no snail on G class locomotives, but now I'm confused as I assumed (always a mistake!) that the plane(ish) black came before Black & Tan. Also I see the green G shown above is from the first batch....waiting for Silverfox to re-master their model unless anyone on here has an un-built one they don't need anymore . John Bruce.

I too had a list from him, nothing to interest me but I gather he is away for a couple of weeks. Hope this helps. John Bruce.

Just thinking ahead for my to be built G class. Given when the second batch of the G class locos were introduced, delivered from Deutz in a "green' but seeing no service in this colour, all repainted prior to service into simple black & white. My question would be given that at the time of their introduction the "Flying Snail" was still in use did the locomotives actually carry this? I know later the broken wheel logo was applied with Black & Tan livery from 1963 or 1964? Your thoughts would be most welcome