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Great to meet up again last night, Mol! We must do it again soon.

Pronunced Jones. A very approachable, deeply knowledgable and thoroughly decent guy!

Are those white roofs on the maroon omnes or pale grey?

That was a carefully-pushed publicity photo. It includes a railcar set in a fairly random-looking consist very likely because these were the very first things painted in this livery.

That’s correct, yes. It looked odd on some older stock when the split between the black and (technically incorrectly described) “golden brown” seemed to look as if it was in the wrong place! Latterly, it tended to be at a level more suited to the contours of the individual vehicle. Also, in earlier experiments with this livery in 1962, the white band above the windows was thicker.

While close up they’re not remotely like anything that ran here, the black’n’tan livery is so striking that these will look very credible in it. An excellent budget job. Make sure you paint the roofs black as well, rather than grey, whether in green or black’n’tan.

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WOW! Never knew it had been lit up!

These are different, though. DCDR’s 836 is in the GSWR’s 1906 “main line” livery (which it COULD have carried, but almost certainly never did). This is the “crimson lake” rather than brown. A bit like the colour of Guinness, it looks dark brown (almost black when badly weathered, according to Senior, who saw an old brake third in that livery in the late 1920s). But in fact it’s an extremely dark red. The upper panels are off-white. This coach was painted all-over lake (lined) some years ago, which is certainly correct. The late 1920s-early 30s GSR “main line” livery, only applied to certain corridor stock, was different. It was a mid brown, similar to the Neighbour Island’s Great Western Railway, with buttermilk-cream upper panels and black lining. Quite obviously too, the former had GSWR markings, and the latter GSR.

It’s unknown, unfortunately!

It was much the same. It is possible that while the early 50s colour on 801 and one batch of new coaches was an experiment, and despite the fact that it was not proceeded with at the time, that in fact the “new” coach livery from 1955 was simply this, with simplified lining compared to the dark green.

Was aware it had been there - I saw it there, but was not aware they had used it.

Interesting! I am unfamiliar with the technology, but appreciate its continually improving results. As for Sambo, yes, bits and pieces, like "Pat" in Cork. Almost certainly no drawings for either.

I think it shunted the west-side quay sidings friom Albert Quay at one time. Whether it ever went "out" on scheduled services there I would think exceptionally unlikely. 299 would be easy to paint anyway; just drop it in a vat of very dark grey paint! Or, actually - serious point here; I know nothing of 3D printing but sionce that thing is bright green, does that mean that someone doing this can print something in a colour of their choice? If so, if a very dark grey plastic was used, and it wasn't translucent, all the modeller would have to do is paint the chassis wheels grey to match and away ye go.

Likewise, I think it's a combination of factors. As one who remembers both, the NIR ones always seemed better kept. The overall Mk 2 design, compared to Cravens, are absolute rust buckets - awful things. The CIE / IE ones, I think, always just seemed what they were - second-hand, second-rate. On the other hand the NIR ones were introduced in a blaze of positive publicity as a "prestige" train - which compared to anything else on the island, especially on NIR at the time, they were.

Yes, she would be in the experimenta lighter green there - probably newly done. Wasn't aware that it ha no number then! Maybe they applied it later!

A silver or green one could well have met a SLNCR steam loco in Sligo, as well as the last of CIE's ex-MGWR 2.4.0s......

Senior had Multiple Conniptions, attacks of the Screaming Fits, and Grade 3 Heeby-Jeebys at the state of their track, while resident GNR engineer in Enniskillen. So much so that on one occasion he inspected the line for them as a favour, in his own time, on a Sunday, as he was friendly with their traffic manager. The remedy was a trainload or two of GNR ballast from Goraghwood Quarry, and creative accounting to hide the cost of it in the GNR's Western Division PW budget!

Wow! I'm frothed out...... there has to be an AEC set in there somewhere!

Ah! YES! That bridge..... I knew I recognised it..... wonder what the service is, possibly a GVS - Warrenpoint?

The main line liveries are themselves quite a bunch. 1. All-over dark "lake" (an extremely dark brownish red) with GSWR markings 1902-25 2. For any used on main lines after 1906, same with white upper panls. This is the livery 836 is preserved in. It is unlikely all of this type got the white upper panels, and in fact is possible none did. 3. All-over dark lake but with SR markings, 1925-early 30s. 4. It is possible, but by no means certain, that some of these got the short-lived GSR "main line" livery of chocolate brown and cream (late 1920s to miod 30s) but again not certain. 5. Standard GSR all-over maroon, same as LMS maroon in Britain (and for that matter NCC & BCDR here). That's what's shown in that last IRRS photo mentioned above. 6. CIE dark green with lining 7. CIE light green with simplified lining (with or without snails) 8. Possibility of either green livery in "auxiliary" unlined livery of either green. 9. The few that lasted until 1964 are unlikely to have been repainted, but hypothetically at least one might have ended up in black'n'tan.... Yes, if you do a few etches, I would take one.

That bottom one with 198 - it's some way familiar! One of these I feel I should know straight away but don't! Leslie, Galteemore, thoughts???

I have indeed seen a picture somewhere of this type of stock in trains hauled by an 800 class.

Yes, it is indeed correct! Somewhere, probably late 60s, I saw a bocketty-looking old departmental vehicle somewhere with what looked like WHITE lettering. Upon investigation, which involved trespass on operating railway tracks in view of indifferent staff, without dayglo shoes, trousers, knickers, hat or jacket; without safety briefing, training or knowledge beyond "get off track if train appears", I inspected said line and lettering - it was just badly faded eau-de-nil paint. If you lifted a bit of ballast and scratched it, the pale green showed up. Today, for such a stunt, I'd be clapped in irons, taken away in a black maria and thrown into a cell...... and they'd close the railway for two months and hire a few consultats to determine how it happened..... and the online conspiracy theorists would dream up 147 fact-free explanations.

The compo you mentioned in your first post might be a more versatile model to do, as single composites were often used in later days on branch lines, often in between a tin van and a filthy C class! Either way, if you're doing an etch of ANY old GSWR bogie, would you be making a few extras?