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"Now DAT is a DISHGRACE, you're INSULTING d'good peeeple of Kerry, boy; you need to TAKE DAT BACK!", Michael Healy-Rae has just told me......... I think there's quite a few of us here wouldn't even fit into the 21mm gauge ones...........

Yes, there is. What I DO know is that both Edgar Bredin and my grandfather (who did this drawing) had been to Derby, and people from there had been to Inchicore. While this is supposition, Inchicore was also in constant discussion with Dundalk in the 1930s (and probably other times), and that the GNR at one stage wondered whether it was possible to make a large six-coupled tank engine. I wonder was there a connection amongst all of these matters? It stands to reason that those in the loco works of all the major companies both here and on the Isle of Brexit would all have compared notes from time to time. On smaller scales, the communication between both the CDR, SLNCR and even Isle of Man Railway with Dundalk Works are well known. The IOMR and the GNR had Beyer, Peacock & Co. in common, after all! While I have no details whatsoever, another distant relative of mine went to England as a railway engineer of some sort in the 1910s, and ended up advising the Argentinian lines somewhere, and eventually went there.

Both recently, and in the distant past, there were posts on here about the proposed-but-never-built GSR 820 class, of which five were apparently planned, initially at any rate for the DSER section. They were based on a tank version of the 800 class, albeit with many modifications, and designed obviously in Inchicore about 1940. I have an outline drawing, currently on loan to a relative, but thanks to GSR800 and Mayner, I have been able to retrieve a copy of it along with an article from an old publication. (Ken - I think you were asking about it?) I had long forgotten even lending the drawing to be published before, otherwise I would have mentioned where it appeared. So here it is, along with the spiel. For an attempted model of it - which would look VERY nice - while it's tempting to think of it in the lined green that the GSR used on the trio of 800s, my old notes suggest that it was planned to plain old grey. The notes written about it are indeed interesting in themselves......

The Invincible Dublin GAA men and Irish rugby team have hired it to take them over to the Neighbouring Island to thoroughly thrash Manchester United, City, Spurs, Liverpool, Millwall, Rangers, Celtic, the Oxford rowing team and Somerset cricket.

An excellent "earliest memory"! In terms of speed, it seems that nowadays trains approach all platforms at walking pace, and we've got used to that. In the past, people seemd to think nothing of things passing at speed - I recall being in Westland Row and seeing a light engine - a 141 - FLYING through. No idea where it was going, but he wasn't holding back....and the platform was well-filled with people as there was a train due behind him..........

And you've got the "old" post office green too! For scenery nerds, I am unsure when the current lighter green came into play - 1970s? I'll need one of those pillar boxes myself - you seem to only be able to get them in packs of half a dozen....

He was lucky it survived - an enamel surface on a steel sheet! I’d love to have that one!

Nice little exercise! I’m doing something similar with a light plank, which is 7’6” x 18”, small 12mm gauge terminus for South African H0 scale; one steam loco, one carriage and half a dozen wagons (typical 1980s branchline). But it needs a (tiny!) fiddle yard. Your scenery treatment looks superb.

I think Harcourt St did have GSR bilingual. I knew about Macmine, but not some of those others you mention - interesting, shows that there quite a few variations. When I explored Woodenbridge in the 1970s, there was an old sign inside the then-disused building. I saw it through the window - too big to retrieve! It was a DSER one, so unless Woodenbridge had a GSR on the other platform, then it remained original till closure.

Sounds great! It's a superb build. I do think that plastic is nowadays often very underrated! The "G N", though, would be gone - the UTA put paid to that! Looking forward to seeing it.....

I agree, Tobin. It’s hard to tell. Whatever livery it is in, it’s unfinished as there is no lining, no crest and no “M G W R” on the tender. Blue has a habit of appearing as a very light grey or a very dark grey in black & white pics depending on the daylight in which it was taken. GSR / CIE grey is also 57 varieties in old pictures, even if it reasonably consistent in real life. The loco above could be green or blue.... Pity the lining isn’t on it, as that would give a clue.

In your time, Galteemore, I believe the few left were NIR maroon! At least one was. But a THICK coating of brake dust, grime and rust made them look different! In GNR days they were obviously grey when new, though since the GNR (unlike CIE) started painting fitted vans brown, it is possible this was used. I think the UTA painted them brown but I am uncertain. Certainly I don’t think any got the UTA green. For NIR, brown or maroon. I am unsure of chassis colour - probably black except in GNR days, when it would be largely body colour. Of the “P” vans which CIE inherited, most were scrapped within a few years without any repaint beyond “CIE” stencilled on the ends. At least one was painted full passenger green, centre line included, though I’m unsure if it had a “snail”. Either this or a different one even managed to be repainted in “black’n’tan” full passenger livery, in which it looked odd but interesting! It doesn’t seem to have lasted long, though, before withdrawal. But they lasted into NIR days just about, in the north. Livery details above! I would go for NIR maroon sides and ends, mid-grey roof, black chassis. Lettering (number) in mid-yellow, no edging; NIR logo was the normal transfer on one I saw (gold, white edging) but it’s possible yellow painted ones were used too.

Absolutely superb! If that's your FIRST scratchbuild, there's some mighty stuff ahead, I'd say!

It's possible I've posted them before, Steve - or perhaps ones like them. What I really need to do is catalogue and list all of his stuff. I can never remember what I've posted and what I haven't, exactly! As long as nobody "colourises" them, which would result in a blue and yellow locomotive hauling orange and pink carriages, on yellow track, but with perfectly textured realistic green grass beside it! And of course, Donegal tank engines would be purple with lime green chimneys, while BCDR carriages would be red and turquoise.......!!!

Same location today, different train.... Note that all of the carriages are Belfast & Northern Counties flat-sided stock.

I’m sure they’re still travelling about the place....... —————————————— Some of senior’s “reject” photos over the next few days; all are from the 1940-47 period on the NCC. First, a “W” at speed - dunno where exactly, but obviously somewhere between Belfast and Ballymena.

I escaped from my employment world too at age 55 - and it's just as well, as the type of job doesn't exist any more.................

I'd say it's something that someone has just made up. Can't see it being some sort of "official" railway-made thing. Looks too crudely made anyway. Unless anyone knows a better story? What size is it?

This is exactly what I meant - in the colourised version of Roger’s pic, it’s impossible to tell what colour the train is supposed to be. The “C” class loco is actually green, and that particular coach was also the lighter green, matching. Indeed - and if they get their inspiration from in incorrectly painted preserved vehicle (the majority!), the myth perpetrates...... Yes, I know that in the grand scheme of things nobody will give a toss in 200 years’ time, but when it’s as easy to record history accurately as otherwise, I think it’s a shame not to.

Superb!

That should require a sentence of 40 years hard labour for the “artist”! The serious point is that like preserved things in wrong liveries, a future serious historian can be misled into thinking that things WERE these colours when they were in use.... I’m off to get my smelling salts....

Rock Street goods yard, Tralee, mid 70s.

Which green? 1945-55 or the lighter 1955-62? If it's diesel era, the latter would be way more common.