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Very well done indeed!

How many stations did it have at maximum extent?

I do very much agree with Colin R. I have seen disgraceful examples of the relatives of a deceased person going totally against their wishes and disposing of their possessions in a way they didn't want. Moral of the story: do what Seniorjhb did, and what I plan to do and have already made preliminary arrangements for: give stuff away as you grow old so that its new owner has it before you snuff it. I have already disposed of a very considerable amount of archive stuff which was either superfluous to my needs or interests, or duplicated material. I would (personally) only give material to archives or organisations which would make it freely available to researchers or display it, or both. I would not let it near any organisation which would secrete it away, never to be seen again - and, unfortunately, such bodies exist.

That is a work on an absolutely amazing scale. How often gave things of that magnitude happened in the past?

I'm on my day off. It's Ballygowan water......

I love the one at Westport.......he's pulling into the Achill platform. I wonder is that a D16 - if it is, the film is earlier than 1940 (1937 at least). It could be a G2 coming to the end of a journey if it's 1940 or more. I can't make it out too clearly. The colour clip shows a carriage in (very heavily weathered!) GSR maroon. Paint was comparatively expensive then and many carriages in secondary use and most wagons rarely saw a lick of paint. Who was the priest who filmed it, I wonder? Does he have any other material?

That "tippex" livery was surely the best on those locos! I liked the "set of points" logo too....

Believe it or not, that's a faded "standard" one; I saw this often. The white lettering has become dulled and the tan surround faded!

I want the buns.......

The tender was very different on the British ones.

Smokebox door - yes, you're right, I'd forgotten that. Inchicore chimneys too, perhaps. Im surprised, thinking of it now, that the model was never released in grey - they were all grey up to the late 40s, and some remained that way after that. The black one with yellow snail is entirely inaccurate on both counts and probably copied from the RPSI's treatment of both 461 and 184 that way in the early 90s. This is why it is never wise - especially in Ireland - to take livery details from preservation; this is doubtless the source of the fictitious black-framed, snail-bedecked green "livery" for a G class loco! The model with the black livery, light green snail and red lining is accurate, as a one off. That particular loco was painted like that for the Rosslare Express for a short time in the 1950s. It must have looked very smart.

There were a few detail differences indeed, though I would leave it to those more technically informed than me to list them! "Blinkers" on the British ones, and gauge are of course the most obvious. I've an idea the wheels were slightly a different diameter, but I could be mixing that up with something else.

Mayner, of this parish, is as I understand it, planning a model of this loco. Regarding the carriages, the first one (a lavatory first) and the second one (a 3rd) would be included in the subject matter of a recent post on MGWR six-wheelers as an essential part of the pre-1963 railway scene. Maybe the moderators could provide a link here to those posts? The gist of it was discussion on how essential the standard MGWR six-wheeler is on any layout on GSR / CIE at any time 1925-63, and suggestions regarding kits, and Allen Doherty's very helpful Worsley Works "scratch-aid" kits. Given enough orders, he will make kits of these. Thus leaves the next vehicle - a bogie 3rd, by the look of it - possibly a 2nd / 3rd. That would need to be scratch built from a drawing. If you're not that fussy about accuracy, there are some British SECR kits which could be botched to provide a half-reasonable approximation, though hardly worthy company for the loco kit and six-wheelers. The fourth vehicle may be dining car No. 1, as the picture was almost certainly posed. In service, it is unlikely that it went beyond Galway. This vehicle was later rebuilt as a conventional coach. Again, if drawings could be found, that's the way to go - a complete scratch build is necessary. This vehicle would be the most challenging, as I am unaware of a drawing of it, and photos won't be plentiful as (a) it didn't stay that way for long, (b) few pictures of it exist and © I don't know of any other coach which might be botched to even approximate to it, let alone serve as a sensible donor. Finally, the van. This is a Cusack high-roofed passenger brake, non birdcage. There should be more info on those, probably in the IRRS photos, though access to that collection isn't easy, even for bona fide researchers. Overall, as the "Tourist Train", the actual train make-up would have varied; as mentioned in other posts, no train hardly - not even a special or specific one - ever had two carriages the same almost ever, prior to 1972 or so. Livery was mid brown with yellow lining normally, but for a few years after 1905, and with all vehicles in this photo, a livery of royal blue and white, lined gold, was used by the MGWR. As you'd expect in steam days, white (not even cream) upper panels became filthy very quickly and they reverted to brown after only a few years. Indeed, it's probable that no more than a quarter of the fleet - if that - ever received this livery at all. Some locos were painted blue lined in black and gold or black and white to match; others remained standard MGWR lined grass green. The loco in this picture doesn't look pristine, so may be green rather than blue.

'Tis a K1 class.....

The 67 (middle one) is a bit too dark, Eoin, but the left hand one too light. Something in between. If you get a decent recent shot of 186 out on an RPSI special (loads on Internet) that would show it. The RPSI folks didn't like the (authentic) grey smokebox and chimney, thus "let" them remain dirtier thus creating an illusion of these being black, or at any rate darker. This would not have been the case when operating in GSWR / GSR / CIE days - the loco was either clean all over or dirty all over.

Absolutely superb work!

Actually, I'm looking at it again. It HAS a shorter wheelbase. Thus, it is probably a very old vehicle of 1870-5. That being the case, it could possibly be early Midland or GSWR. I'd need to see a much better pic of the window profile to determine.

Design wise, looks that way, but the SLNCR didn't sell any old stock to the GSR. It will be some GSR constituent. On the basis of elimination, it's not Waterford & Wexford, GSWR or DSER. Any old flat-sided Midland stock was - as far as I'm aware - four wheeled and of pre-1877-ish era. That yoke is a six wheeler. Any GSWR stock which was flat sided had different windows and again, would be pre-mid-1870s and thus, most likely, a shorter wheelbase. Most stock this old from both the MGWR and GSWR had been broken up long,long before these turf conversions took place. It's not Tramore stock. It's not WLWR. I'm wondering if it is ex Cork & Bandon. Beyond that I'd be stumped....

Interesting. The mix is apparent; of the two derailed, the one on the left is GSWR and on right a classic MGWR bogie of Cusack era. The six wheelers in the background are interesting. Left: DSER. Right: looks MGWR. But the one in the middle with the straight sides is a puzzle. It's possibly a West Cork or Macroom vehicle, but I'm not sure. The straight sides throw me a bit. DSER, GSWR or MGWR it isn't.

BCDR maroon was quite dark - the two restored BCDR coaches at Downpatrick are correctly done, lining, lettering and all. In pre-war times the lining was gold and a full crest was carried on the side. At some stage, possibly as early as the mid 30s, but certainly mid 40s, lining tended to be a straw colour with a gold-ish tint, and crests were often not applied. Coach ends were maroon, and roofs a mid grey.

I had a note somewhere of the number of that Craven with the logos. Anyone know?

MikeO, GNR stuff was the same - all types of coach of all ages on all trains, but obviously all GNR stock. Re liveries I'm texting this from an iPhone in a tram - not easy - will reply in detail when I get home!

Murrayec & Mayner..... excellent news from both of you.

Good to see the TT at Tara Junction working better than the one at Claremorris!

I'd love to see that in the flesh, Andy... Noel - the carriages in that clip are all GSWR 1885-95 period. Wayne gets out of a "lavatory composite", i.e. with a loo accessible to the two first class compartments, but not the thirds at the ends! Same era & origin of coach.