jhb171achill

My thoughts exactly - ye beat me to it! Is that the Londonstan Untergrund?

Indeed; the "M" one appeared to be a major problem - posted some pig-ignorant drivel on here back in the day.

Shows up the dark grey livery well; you can make out the dark red of the buffer beam, which always appeared darker grey in a black'n'white photo.

Before jhb171Senior completely remodelled the track plan and signalling in the late 1950s!

Yes, they have. If you discount the odd pigeon special, there was a clerestorey-roofed coach which went walkabout in 1959. It was seen at Loughrea and on the Wisht Caark main line. It was customary in railcar days that on one day a week (or month; can't remember); (I think a Tuesday or a Wednesday) instead of the railcar making two return trips, it did one and a steam train did the other. This led to a Bandon tank or a GSWR 2.4.2T taking the midday train down to Bantry and going back to Cork later, while the railcar did the forst up and last down train. It was on one of these occasions that this GNR relic - in brown livery - was to be seen along with (I presume) a GSWR bogie as well. On the DSER, being served from Amiens St., ex-GNR stock of all sorts was moch more common, with GNR railcars as well as CIE ones, and GNR coaches either in navy & cream, brown, CIE green or black'n'tan. Blue 4.4.0s were also often to be seen on Dun Laoghaire pier shuttles.

Superb job as always! Amazing weathering on the spoil wagon too….

Well into the 1960s it was still possible to see wagons with “G N” markings on them, though with a small stencilled “CIE” or “UT” somewhere on the sides or ends. Here, on a summer day in 1965, two GNR goods vans can be seen in the morning goods returning from Dugort Harbour.

Could have been, Roger, I'd say so. Lined dark green was a common generic type of livery for industrials at that time. Probably future repaits were just plain colour without lining.

Angelic? Leslie10646? What on earth are ye smoking, Mr D!

Those varied bits of weeds give it all a most realistic look.

Love to see that "Jeep" in progress! I remember watching them daily on ballast trains............ black roof for the CIE coach the final touch?

That whole train is a beauty! And WELL deserved win as "best engine".

They repainted a very few full vans as they knew they’d be using them a bit longer. And yes, it just so happened that all of these were GSWR in origin, even though there still the odd Midlland one about. Since they knew that all passenger carrying 6-wheelers were for the chop, not one of those was ever black’n’tan even for a short time. Many wooden-bodied bogies of all types became BnT. Mostly GSWR & GNR, but a handful of MGWR.

Correct, you beat me to it! Another was painted in very early 1963. So, 18, 69, 1077 and possibly 79 ended up BnT. All ex-GSWR, all full brakes.

The only six-wheelers to enter the black’n’tan livery were about half a dozen full vans which survived the final cull of all remaining passenger-carrying 6-wheelers in 1963. Two are known to have ended up black’n’tan. One or two more MIGHT have. The other one or two ended their lives still green, but within the black’n’tan era.

Couldn’t agree more, and idiotic, disgracefully badly researched narratives even thrive in supposed railway preservation circles. Personally - drives me mad. So there’s little hope for “community schemes”, with extremely well-meant, but crassly and embarrassingly wrong “plaques”!

He told me that he dry-brushed a light grey colour over them after painting the rails brown.

A friend of mine was at the Clonakilty model village today, where they have an old Sugar Co. Ruston painted bright red and with something like a circular bin lid attached to the front to make it look like a "steam train". Fine; but a plaque on it says that it was the engine which ran the train service on the Tralee - Fenit line! You couldn't make it up.

Not a million miles off it, indeed; here's to a shunting layout of a sugar factory, with this, a "G" class, and an O & K 0.4.0T!

Galteemore Snr X 2 has nailed it..............! That's the PROPER Guinness colour, as also seen on some of the little narrow gauge things like the diesel at Cultra.

My understanding is that Guinness locos were originlaly a very dark olive green - which would also explain them looking "black" (like GNR(I), CDRJC and GSR grey locos too). This also applies to the RPSI's No, 3BG at Whitehead, now painted a quite bright blue, which is far too light for Guinness blue. I do not believe any of the 1'10" locos were ever blue, but at some stage the 5'3" locos became a dark blue as we know. As a related issue, and from a historical perspective, I would like to see the RPSI paint both of their industrials at Whitehead in an authentic manner, not like something out of a Thomas the Tank video or a Sheffield / Hattons Peckett DCC re-release; the pale green on the Derry shunter requires sunglasses to look at; needless to say, the thing never carried any colour like that..... but I digress. Regarding the Guinness wagons, I've no idea what way they were turned out. A lightish brown could indicate just that, or possible that they were originally varnished and this got dulled down in time.............

This, of course, adds even more interest to a layout based on Greenore; these things mixed in with GNR wagons! Regarding wagon livery, whatever shade of grey the LNWR used was probably the same on the DNGR, since their locos and coaches were pure LNWR! It leads me to think that I can't recall ever having seen a photo of a DNGR wagon with the then-typical large letters - presumably "D N G" or "D N G R" on their sides.......... must have a look at Ernie's pics and the IRRS online archive! The van on the extreme left of the pic looks intriguing too...

How did it end up there? Via Kiltimagh, perhaps? I was actually unaware of its existence.......

Most of the wagons on this system were actually GNR wagons, as it was the bigger neighbour, and the very vast majority of the goods traffic generated on the two lines came from / went to the GNR. I doubt if their wagons were as LNWR-esque as the actual LNWR, or the DNGR's carriages and locos - a modeller is much better off with IRCH designs and in particular with GNR(I) markings. To all intents and purposes, its goods working were simply another GNR branch.

Problem is, you're probably dealing with people who know no more about railways than the man in the moon does............ and a public who not only know no more, but couldn't care less!