Times of Taras?

[Majesitc_Trains]

Does anyone know what times the Taras, both loaded and empty, typically pass through Malahide? The only times i could find were from 2014, and I'm guessing these are outdated by now. 

[Branchline121]

I’m not sure about this but I think they leave Navan at 9:30, 12:30 and 18:30.

I wouldn’t count on it though as I can’t remember that well.

[Majesitc_Trains]

1 hour ago, Branchline121 said:

I’m not sure about this but I think they leave Navan at 9:30, 12:30 and 18:30.

I wouldn’t count on it though as I can’t remember that well.

Yeah, i saw one come through Howth Junction at about 11, so that would seem about right.

[snapper]

Depart Navan, takes about 1 hour 40 to get to Malahide

09.10, 12.15,18.15,

Depart North wall, takes about 20 minutes to get to Malahide

 14.05, 19.05, 23.50

[Majesitc_Trains]

Got kicked out of Malahide station, apparently filming isnt allowed for some reason.

Ive spent entire days at Drogheda and Killdare before and no one has said anything. The security guy was really quite rude, and even threatened to call the guards. I wonder if he was just some rent-a-thug taking his job too seriously.

[jhb171achill]

These clowns have absolutely ZERO right to eject someone from a public railway platform solely for taking photos. While the UK is a different country with a different legal system, their railway laws are based on the same original legislation as ours, and this has been tested in court there on a number of occasions.

One extremely highly respected and well kinown railway photographer was threatened by a member of railway staff at a location on the Kildare suburban route and threatened with the gardai. Her told the member of staff that he would go of his own accord when he was finished, and suggested they call the gardai if they want. The railway staff member retreated, with bad grace.

By law, there is no restriction on taking photographgs of trains in Ireland (south OR north), either on non-railway premises (e.g. over a wall) or ON railway premises, such as a platform; provided:

1.  You are not obstructing the public or staff in any way, by the use of your equipment or your personal presence.

2.  You remain at all times on the platform or footbridges in areas where the public are permitted (e.g. not up signal cabin steps, or off platform ramps).

3.  You do not interfere with, or in any way obstruct, railway staff going about their business.#

4.  You do not violate the personal privacy of the general public by including thewm within your images (within reason; a distant image of a tiny figure with their back to you wouldn't be held up in court as being a problem, or else all public photography would have to be banned).

.....and so on.

I have taken pics at Malahide station myself - and posted them (publicly) online. If I am ever confronted with a person wearing any uniform - be they security companies, railway staff, or whatever, I will make a note of, or ask them, for their name or ID number and make a complaint accordingly; I would suggest that anyone else does the same. Firstly, though, I would politely tell them that there are no laws of any sort preventing you taking photographs of trains subject to the above.

As for the Taras, yes, the above times are when they are SUPPOSED to operate; but they rarely stick to the paths allocated. At one stage, I monitored their times for several months for the benefit of an IRRS member who intends in due course to write an article about them for the journal. I can do this, as I can see the line from outside my study window; a 29 class railcar has just passed me by a few minutes ago. I know of several potential photographers who have stood about Malahide, Donabate, Skerries and Drogheda stations for ages hoping to see one, but having no luck. The scheduled three return trips per day don't always run either - occasionally just two.

[Broithe]

You could always defend yourself by asserting that you are "a trainspotter, a loner, an anorak, a nerd with no friends".

I'm sure a few of us could easily convince people of the veracity of that position.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-16760464

Unfortunately, i can't find how that case finalised.

[Galteemore]

The evidence does seem fairly light in terms of actual trains spotted in that case. Sounds more like low level, and not very competent, espionage….

Edited August 11, 2022 by Galteemore

[Majesitc_Trains]

1 hour ago, jhb171achill said:

These clowns have absolutely ZERO right to eject someone from a public railway platform solely for taking photos. While the UK is a different country with a different legal system, their railway laws are based on the same original legislation as ours, and this has been tested in court there on a number of occasions.

One extremely highly respected and well kinown railway photographer was threatened by a member of railway staff at a location on the Kildare suburban route and threatened with the gardai. Her told the member of staff that he would go of his own accord when he was finished, and suggested they call the gardai if they want. The railway staff member retreated, with bad grace.

By law, there is no restriction on taking photographgs of trains in Ireland (south OR north), either on non-railway premises (e.g. over a wall) or ON railway premises, such as a platform; provided:

1.  You are not obstructing the public or staff in any way, by the use of your equipment or your personal presence.

2.  You remain at all times on the platform or footbridges in areas where the public are permitted (e.g. not up signal cabin steps, or off platform ramps).

3.  You do not interfere with, or in any way obstruct, railway staff going about their business.#

4.  You do not violate the personal privacy of the general public by including thewm within your images (within reason; a distant image of a tiny figure with their back to you wouldn't be held up in court as being a problem, or else all public photography would have to be banned).

.....and so on.

I have taken pics at Malahide station myself - and posted them (publicly) online. If I am ever confronted with a person wearing any uniform - be they security companies, railway staff, or whatever, I will make a note of, or ask them, for their name or ID number and make a complaint accordingly; I would suggest that anyone else does the same. Firstly, though, I would politely tell them that there are no laws of any sort preventing you taking photographs of trains subject to the above.

As for the Taras, yes, the above times are when they are SUPPOSED to operate; but they rarely stick to the paths allocated. At one stage, I monitored their times for several months for the benefit of an IRRS member who intends in due course to write an article about them for the journal. I can do this, as I can see the line from outside my study window; a 29 class railcar has just passed me by a few minutes ago. I know of several potential photographers who have stood about Malahide, Donabate, Skerries and Drogheda stations for ages hoping to see one, but having no luck. The scheduled three return trips per day don't always run either - occasionally just two.

I know where I stand in terms of spotting in the UK, but I'm unfamiliar with rules and laws on IE so I didn't really want to risk it, especially since i left my passport in belfast. I ended up going to a strip of grass along side the road with a good view of the causeway and got some good shots there.

In terms of the taras, I saw a loaded one pass me around Howth junction, which if the Drogheda commuter wasn't late i would have seen. I saw the same train return later empty before i got kicked off the station. Another loaded one may have passed by while i was in the casino model railway, but I didn't hear anything that sounded like an 071.

[Majesitc_Trains]

2 hours ago, Galteemore said:

The evidence does seem fairly light in terms of actual trains spotted in that case. Sounds more like low level, and not very competent, espionage….

Ah you've caught me! Spying to find the average delay to the enterprise when they route a DART in front of it!

[Galteemore]

I’m sure it’s all quite innocent. But we should spare a thought for poor Walter Simon…..An extraordinary event occurred at Dingle station on Thursday 13 June 1940, after the line’s closure to passengers. A German spy named Walter Simon arrived at the station and asked when the next train would depart (not realising that only freight services were still operating). Simon had been landed by a German submarine, U-38, during the previous night. He then made his way by bus to Tralee and thence by train to Dublin. Following his enquiry at Dingle station, the Garda Síochána were informed and he was trailed by detectives. He was arrested on arrival in Dublin and interned for the duration of the War (known in neutral Ireland as “The Emergency”).

[Mike 84C]

About 30 yrs ago my son and I got chased off the narrow gauge terminus in Nice. The boy thought it very exciting! he was about 10yrs of age. Did get some photos of very French Billard rail cars though.

[Broithe]

One of my 'claims to fame' is that I've never been arrested by anybody without a gun. By far the most dangerous one also involved a bayonet, and was the only time that I felt that I was really in danger.

All I was doing was watching a Cyprus Airways Trident doing circuits and bumps.

[Majesitc_Trains]

4 hours ago, Galteemore said:

The evidence does seem fairly light in terms of actual trains spotted in that case. Sounds more like low level, and not very competent, espionage….

Anyway officer, here's the actual evidence of trainspotting!

The 071, no. 086 is coincidently the one I have a model of, nice to see the real thing.

[jhb171achill]

This has persuaded me to take several photos of trains in Malahide from now on every time I am in the station.

[DJ Dangerous]

5 hours ago, Broithe said:

You could always defend yourself by asserting that you are "a trainspotter, a loner, an anorak, a nerd with no friends".

I'm sure a few of us could easily convince people of the veracity of that position.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-16760464

Unfortunately, i can't find how that case finalised.

 

Judge Mark Hamill? Seriously? Was the Force with him?

 

1 hour ago, jhb171achill said:

This has persuaded me to take several photos of trains in Malahide from now on every time I am in the station.

 

Only if you can see Robocop skulking around, though.

[Lev Pavliuk]

On 11.08.2022 at 14:30, snapper said:

Отправление из Навана, дорога до Малахайда занимает около 1 часа 40 минут.

 

09.10, 12.15,18.15,

 

Отправление с северной стены, дорога до Малахайда занимает около 20 минут.

 

 14.05, 19.05, 23.50

 

do they run every weekday on this schedule, or are there fewer chances to see them on some days?

[Lev Pavliuk]

On 11.08.2022 at 14:30, snapper said:

Отправление из Навана, дорога до Малахайда занимает около 1 часа 40 минут.

 

09.10, 12.15,18.15,

 

Отправление с северной стены, дорога до Малахайда занимает около 20 минут.

 

 14.05, 19.05, 23.50

 

today an empty taras set off from the north wall 16:05