pullmans

[Northman]

I've just bought some matchbox sided pullmans and was wondering if they ran along side with hornby flush sided pullmans?Anybody help?

[Broithe]

Some discussion - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/44811-pullman-coaches/.

 

There were four Pullmans in Ireland.

[jhb171achill]

....all of which were matchboard-panelled. Initially GSR maroon and GSR brown and cream (not sure in which order) as opposed to Pullman livery! - latterly CIE dark green.

[Broithe]

Colm Flanagan had an article in Railway Modeller about them some years ago..

[Northman]

Many thanks to all replies.

[StevieB]

Were the four Irish Pullmans fitted with the standard Pullman or Irish corridor connections? I would have thought the latter since they ran as individual coaches within train sets rather than as Pullman trains.

Stephen

[Broithe]

Were the four Irish Pullmans fitted with the standard Pullman or Irish corridor connections? I would have thought the latter since they ran as individual coaches within train sets rather than as Pullman trains.

Stephen

Bottom post here - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=27313 - confirms your suspicions..

[jhb171achill]

Standard corridors - yes, they were included in trains of other carriages - usually only one Pullman per train.

[StevieB]

Two questions:

Were the four Irish Pullmans first class or third class?

Are the Hornby kitchen cars a good representation of the Irish Pullmans?

Many thanks.

Stephen

[The Train Man]

 

 

Stephen,

pics of a commission I did a few years ago. To the best of my recollection the Irish Pullmans had both 1st and third class, though I stand to correction on that.

 

Two questions:

Were the four Irish Pullmans first class or third class?

Are the Hornby kitchen cars a good representation of the Irish Pullmans?

Many thanks.

Stephen

[BosKonay]

Beautiful - are they hornbys? (interior lighting, etc?)

[The Train Man]

Stephen,

 

Standard Hornby Pullmans with interior lighting. Corridors are whitemetal castings.

 

S

 

Beautiful - are they hornbys? (interior lighting, etc?)

[Guest hidden-agenda]

Cheep version here from the railroad range and could probably be improved with some TLC and a paint job in green .

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hornby-R4312-RailRoad-Pullman-Parlour/dp/B000WDRZZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365771526&sr=8-1&keywords=hornby+pullman

Edited April 12, 2013 by hidden-agenda

[Warbonnet]

Cheep version here from the railroad range and could probably be improved with some TLC and a paint job in green .

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hornby-R4312-RailRoad-Pullman-Parlour/dp/B000WDRZZI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1365771526&sr=8-1&keywords=hornby+pullman

 

The Railroad Pullman is a different bodystyle of coach compared to the Hornby detailed version which may mean it's unsuitable for the Irish version?

[The Train Man]

Correct Fran. Two different animals!

 

 

The Railroad Pullman is a different bodystyle of coach compared to the Hornby detailed version which may mean it's unsuitable for the Irish version?

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

I think this is the one you want http://www.ehattons.com/35914/Hornby_R4480_Pullman_1st_Class_Kitchen_Car_Minerva_Matchboard_type/StockDetail.aspx

[Warbonnet]

I think this is the one you want http://www.ehattons.com/35914/Hornby_R4480_Pullman_1st_Class_Kitchen_Car_Minerva_Matchboard_type/StockDetail.aspx

 

The detailed Hornby Pullmans come with two different side styles. I have no idea which one is correct for the Irish coaches but it's worth remembering before buying.

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

The detailed Hornby Pullmans come with two different side styles. I have no idea which one is correct for the Irish coaches but it's worth remembering before buying.

 

When its flying past on the layout Fran 3' away you might never notice

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

I don't think there are many pictures of the Irish Pulman's out there I know one of the books I have has a photo of one in a very poor state.

[Warbonnet]

When its flying past on the layout Fran 3' away you might never notice

 

But I'd know. And that's the killer!

[jhb171achill]

I've seen pics of them when derelict at Naas awaiting their appointment with the scrap man. They were in faded CIE green - but with black ends, as with all coaches painted by CIE. The one thing I can be fairly sure of is that their external appearance was not altered during their lives, so if you do see pics of them at the end of their lives, that's also the way they were before. I can't recall if they had "snails" on them or not. I don't know either what classes of passenger accommodation they had - I must ask He Who Knows (i.e. who travelled in them). I suspect they were all firsts but I'll check and post here whatever I am told.

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

The pic I have jhb the coach has no paint left on it due to weather/time etc so its very hard to tell what the livery was. Look forward to your up date after you talk to he who know's

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

But I'd know. And that's the killer!

 

 

Your starting to fall into the rivet counter category now Fran. I think there is a help group out there for those people you may even be able to get injections to help you also =))=))

[jhb171achill]

Yes, Anthony, I'll check. The ones left (one, perhaps?) on the scrap line in Naas about 1959 was indeed in a very sorry state cosmetically, and broken windows. I think that by that stage they had been out of use for a good while. One would make a nice addition to a layout in 40s or early 50s.

 

Wonder what one would have looked like in black'n'tan! Probably quite well.....

[Warbonnet]

Your starting to fall into the rivet counter category now Fran. I think there is a help group out there for those people you may even be able to get injections to help you also =))=))

 

Brendan had a brakevan on the end of a modern liner train last week cleaning the track it was eating at me. I need help!!!

[WRENNEIRE]

I don't think there are many pictures of the Irish Pulman's out there I know one of the books I have has a photo of one in a very poor state.

The very poor state is called Ireland

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

Brendan had a brakevan on the end of a modern liner train last week cleaning the track it was eating at me. I need help!!!

 

Definitely I would prescribe a course of injections and possibly some electric shock treatment. There's nothing worse than a rivet counter =))=))

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

The very poor state is called Ireland

 

 

 

 

=))=))

 

BTW dont forget and bring the biscuits next Friday

[Guest hidden-agenda]

The Railroad Pullman is a different bodystyle of coach compared to the Hornby detailed version which may mean it's unsuitable for the Irish version?

 

Absolutely right WB well spotted. The thing is it would,nt put some guys off who dont know ,dont care or cant afford the Rolls Royce model.

 

Small question for JNB do you know or have you heard a story about the reclining seats in the pull man,s being used in other stock after they were scrapped ?

[jhb171achill]

I'm unaware of that, Hidden-agenda. I can't help doubting it - I would imagine seats took up more space in Pullmans than other stock, so re-use of them might have compromised leg room. That said, we are looking at an era when anything that could be re-used, often was. I will make a few enquiries.