Broithe Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 jhb171achill said: Wonder what would happen if a Wexford, Annagassan or Kilkeel trawler dragged a British or Russian submarine for miles and wrecked all its equipment...... They could just deny that they were within 150 miles of it at the time - it'll work eventually..... Quote
Broithe Posted October 13, 2016 Posted October 13, 2016 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37633330 Quote
DiveController Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 Broithe said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37633330 nothing changes ..... but they've 'expressed regret' (PCBS) and are reviewing their procedures (the ones reviewed the last time it happened) Quote
Broithe Posted October 14, 2016 Posted October 14, 2016 They'll review them next time, as well - if they're caught. Quote
jhb171achill Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 Disgraceful. There should be some mechanism to make the RN pay compensation - and pay very heavily indeed - for such blunders. Quote
Broithe Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 jhb171achill said: Disgraceful. There should be some mechanism to make the RN pay compensation - and pay very heavily indeed - for such blunders. They will usually make an ex gratia payment from public funds - suing the Royal Navy / MOD is not for the faint-hearted, non-wealthy or impatient. Quote
Broithe Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 If you take the evidence (finally and reluctantly) given to the recent enquiry at face value, then it would seem that they can't even detect when they have actually hit the fishing gear from a civilian vessel and dragged it for some distance, they can't really tell what sort of vessels are in the area and they can't hear trawls - it does make one wonder what success they have in detecting vessels that are actively trying to hide from them? Quote
Junctionmad Posted October 16, 2016 Posted October 16, 2016 Broithe said: If you take the evidence (finally and reluctantly) given to the recent enquiry at face value, then it would seem that they can't even detect when they have actually hit the fishing gear from a civilian vessel and dragged it for some distance, they can't really tell what sort of vessels are in the area and they can't hear trawls - it does make one wonder what success they have in detecting vessels that are actively trying to hide from them? I worked on military projects in the US in the 80s fir a short while. The real life capabilities of military equipment is often far less then we've come to expect from the movies. I remember my old college professor who was involved in cruise missive research saying " the safest place to be with these missiles is at the intended target. !! " Quote
Broithe Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 Junctionmad said: I worked on military projects in the US in the 80s fir a short while. The real life capabilities of military equipment is often far less then we've come to expect from the movies. I remember my old college professor who was involved in cruise missive research saying " the safest place to be with these missiles is at the intended target. !! " I was talking to somebody last night and the conversation drifted onto Wombats, of the Australian variety - though, to me, it meant WOMBAT, Weapon Of Magnesium, Batallion, Anti-Tank. Essentially, a giant Bazooka. The rearward blast when one was fired was a serious "friendly" threat and it was often said that it did more damage where it was fired from than where it came down... In stony ground, the exhaust could excavate a trench big enough to hide in afterwards and fire the debris from it backwards for some considerable distance and at very high speed - like a giant shotgun. As you say, the quoted technical capacities are often a mix of ideal conditions and wishful thinking. Quote
Glenderg Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 Didn't they mount something similar on a Willy's jeep? Something like a 37mm calibre jobby? Had a similar effect... Quote
Broithe Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 (edited) Glenderg said: Didn't they mount something similar on a Willy's jeep? Something like a 37mm calibre jobby? Had a similar effect... The reason for going all lightweight with the magnesium was so that they could be fitted to Land Rovers, as here in Yemen. The WOMBAT was 120mm calibre. Similar devices were made by other countries/manufacturers. This is a captured Argentine device from the Falklands that is a few hundred yards fron my house. I might just be safe from the back-blast. Edited October 17, 2016 by Broithe Spelling... Quote
Junctionmad Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 I love the idea of a weapon that creates its own trench to hide in afterwards !!! , ah the unintended consequences of design !! Quote
Broithe Posted October 17, 2016 Posted October 17, 2016 Junctionmad said: I love the idea of a weapon that creates its own trench to hide in afterwards !!! , ah the unintended consequences of design !! Trench/grave... ..it depends where you're standing when it goes off.. Quote
Broithe Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 This could have been exciting... https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0121/1024637-submarine-ferry-irish-sea/ Quote
Noel Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 On 21/1/2019 at 7:21 PM, Broithe said: This could have been exciting... https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0121/1024637-submarine-ferry-irish-sea/ Expand The quality of journalism!!! "A nuclear-powered Royal Navy submarine has been involved in a near-miss with a ferry." So they collided (ie nearly missed is logically a hit)!!! The same error is routinely made when the media report close quarter aviation incidents. Quote
Broithe Posted January 21, 2019 Posted January 21, 2019 I think they mean a near miss as opposed to a distant miss. 1 Quote
hurricanemk1c Posted January 30, 2019 Posted January 30, 2019 It would be categorised as a near-miss in any investigation as well. One of the many strange sayings, such as Head over Heels in love Quote
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