Original Bredin coach drawings

[jhb171achill]

 

 

 

Woohoo! Right way up. Now I'll add more.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2015 by jhb171achill

[Kirley]

Thank you John for posting these drawings, great detail including the location of roof vents, great for modellers but what did Flettner ventilators look like back then?

[Glenderg]

 

Coach No. 1335 shown, and vent layout appears to match, though each pair is closer together rather than being divided evenly across the segment of roof if that makes sense?

 

This appears to be the vent type -

 

You might find what you need here - http://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt.php#CarriageComponents-Roofs&Fittings

 

R.

[Kirley]

Thanks Richie, but even from your vast photo archive you can't produce a close up of the ventilators probably because no one thought to photograph them. The current vents on sale are Ridged dome, Scalloped dome, Torpedo and Shell and a quick Google search for Flettner ventilators on railways coaches suggest a different shape to those mentioned above. As a modeller the first thing you see of a coach is the roof so it's nice to get it right. Apologies JB for taking your thread in a different direction.

[Glenderg]

I did do a google image search and the only coach that has a similar type vent is the ambulance coaches, akin to a flat top hat. I've looked through my library and there are only torpedo and dome type to be seen. If it were me, I'd go with the dome type, as I have a feeling the Flettner reference is to do with the internal mechanism (passive rotating vent) rather than the shape of the current van mounted type. Hopefully someone might have a fixed answer on it though

[jhb171achill]

I should know they, having been on the roof of that coach years ago at Whitehead, sealing it - but I can't remember and I didn't have a camera with me at the same time......

 

If I can find anything out I'll post it here.

[murrayec]

Hi

 

Here is an idea based off the flicker photo from above;-

 

 

Not sure about the closing idea, but it would seem logical to close the vent on the outside so water cant get in?

 

Eoin

[jhb171achill]

Actually, yes, Eoin - that looks familiar from both an inside and outside perspective.

[Kirley]

Thanks Guys, the consensus would be the Dome shape would be the nearest.

http://www.dartcastings.co.uk/images/mjt/2942_1.jpg

[Mayner]

I am sure if you ask nicely SSM may be able to supply the correct pattern ventilators or even a complete coach kit.

 

[jhb171achill]

That's a very nice model indeed.

 

Quite a few of these ended their days as railcar intermediates.

[DiveController]

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May I please ask as an aside, what is the small van behind the tender, HLV?

[jhb171achill]

It's a former GSWR six wheeled full parcel brake / passenger brake van of late 1880s vintage. At least two of these wooden six wheelers received black'n'tan, lasting thus (primarily, I think, on the Galway line) to the late 1960s. They were the only six wheelers ever to be repainted into Black and Tan. No passenger carrying six wheel coaching stock was ever thus repainted; the last survivors remaining green until their final withdrawal (in Cork) in early 1964.

[josefstadt]

I remember a van / vans like this on summer Sunday services on the Bray line during the mid to late 1960s, operating with trains composed entirely of non-corridor compartment stock.

[jhb171achill]

That would have been one of them, josefstadt....though there were a couple of old bogie brake 3rds as well.

[228RiverOwenboy]

On 2/12/2015 at 1:50 AM, jhb171achill said:

 

 

 

Woohoo! Right way up. Now I'll add more.

 

 

 

 

Any chance that you would have a full pic of the diagram? Or is it too big for the camera to shoot?