jhb171achill Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, KMCE said: Funny that - I've been using Vallejo Panzer Dark Grey for locos recently - comes up a nice dark grey with a blueish tint as if rubbed with oily rags. Add a bit (a lot) of weathering & you start getting to that level of filth @jhb171achillis rather fond of I'm a filthy little boy, Ken. Naughty me! 51 minutes ago, Galteemore said: Panzer grey. Funnily enough, this is a subject WW2 modellers also debate..... Old B & W pics of GNR blue locos show what appears in one to be almost black, and in others light grey! Grey and blue seem especially prone to this. On the basis that the German tank above is shown pretty much accurately, it's a bit on the dark side. However, when a grey loco was weathered, it could end up looking almost that colour - and the reason? They "cleaned" them with filthy oily rags! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 4 hours ago, jhb171achill said: Yes - look at the buffer beam, which was RED! If anything, some CIE locos got into even WORSE state than BR - and that is saying something..... Yes, I believe that the CIE engines were actually worse! The story goes that Robin (BOB) Clements footplated a 2-6-4 Tank on the Spoil Trains and when the crew commented on how rundown the engine was, he remarked later - "these fellows don't know what a bad engine is!" Bob, you see, spent days and days on the footplates of MGWR locos , fighting to make them steam and driving them easily so that they could see ahead through the steam leaks. Another version was that when the CIE crews first drove No.4 they were amazed to open the regulator and still be able to see in front of them ....... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Bob was a great man for tales of the past....a fascinating character. The few times I spent a very long time on the phone with him I scribbled down as many notes as I could of what he said! There's a load of his fascinating material in the IRRS, thankfully. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil3150 Posted October 7, 2020 Author Share Posted October 7, 2020 12L is now looking a little more work worn. Still some finishing touches to come and a little more grime but we're getting there! Phil 10 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Nice subtle work. Any tips on how you did it please ?? Edited October 7, 2020 by Galteemore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Thats nice, very nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Ex works locos are one thing, but careful weathering like this brings them alive for me. A lily is gilded... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 hours ago, David Holman said: Ex works locos are one thing, but careful weathering like this brings them alive for me. A lily is gilded... Indeed, me too; steam engines were NEVER pristine in traffic, and the above job looks 100% realistic! 9 hours ago, Phil3150 said: 12L is now looking a little more work worn. Still some finishing touches to come and a little more grime but we're getting there! Phil Absolutely brilliant job! Lovely engine - I'd love to have had a spin behind one..... fastest narrow gauge engines in Ireland, and they look it! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) She is certainly looking the part a working loco that's still reasonably well maintained. There are a number of colour photos of 10l on pages 110 & 111 in Irish Railways in Colour a Second Glance there is a striking deterioration in her appearance between in July 1957 photos of her at Ballyconnell and Belturbet and later photos of her at Bawnboy Road and Ballinamore with the paint burnt off her smoke box door and funnel. 8L hasn't got a lot worse since I weathered her 20 odd years ago. I tried to capture the same effect with 3T but could not quiet match the rust effect on the chimney and smokebox! Edited October 8, 2020 by Mayner 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mayner said: She is certainly looking the part a working loco that's still reasonably well maintained. There are a number of colour photos of 12L bit captioned as 10L on pages 110 & 111 in Irish Railways in Colour a Second Glance there is a striking deterioration in her appearance between in July 1957 photos of her at Ballyconnell and Belturbet and later photos of her at Bawnboy Road and Ballinamore with the paint burnt off her smoke box door and funnel. 8L hasn't got a lot worse since I weathered her 20 odd years ago. I tried to capture the same effect with 3T but could not quiet match the rust effect on the chimney and smokebox! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Works for me. Matches those colour photos really well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil3150 Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Pretty much finished now. I still have the cab interior to build - any clues as to what was in there anyone? We got a few little things wrong but I'm very pleased with the result. Many thanks to my good friend Brian Page for all his help. Now to get on with the rest of the layout! Phil Edited October 20, 2020 by Phil3150 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 This is the back head of a right handed drive loco There are a load more photos on line just look for backhead details of a steam locomotive, I am not sure which side of the loco the CB&P locos where driven from, but you get the idea of what could be in there. regards Colin Rainsbury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) Courtesy of Chester MRC, here’s a view inside one of the Cavan and Leitrim 4-4-OTs - probably not far off the 2-4-2T interior. Although by the mid 50s none of them were quite this pristine ! Edited October 20, 2020 by Galteemore 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 That looks like the 4-4-0T in Cultra. Currently rereading Boyd's Saga by Rail and on the C&L chapters. Lovely stuff - as is No12. Got to be really pleased with it! Just needs a long mixed train now and a trip to New Zealand for a run on Mayner's layout, though fairly sure the CB&P locos weren't allowed on the tramway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) Indeed it is the Cultra one. Here’s another angle showing a little more.... Edited October 21, 2020 by Galteemore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 On 20/10/2020 at 9:48 PM, Phil3150 said: Pretty much finished now. I still have the cab interior to build - any clues as to what was in there anyone? We got a few little things wrong but I'm very pleased with the result. Many thanks to my good friend Brian Page for all his help. Now to get on with the rest of the layout! Phil That would be a credit to anyone - suberb build. The subtle rust looks very real too. The design is such that little would be visible in the cab anyway, though I’ve no doubt you’d do a TOP class job on that too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil3150 Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) It must be time for an update on my progress so here goes: I been busy building some goods stock. This is an assortment of open wagons - a Foxrock ex-CB&P built as intended, a 4-door open 3D printed from my drawings on a Backwoods chassis with new etched parts for the brake gear, and a Foxrock original C&L open again built a Simon intended. I now have two nine wagon rakes for two coal specials and a number of spares for other duties. The wagon works in full swing. Satisfied with the wagons have I moved onto van production. The advantage of 3D printing these is that the endless variations of body types can be easily produced from a basic drawing. These will run on Backwoods chassis. I do have a stock of Foxrock chassis but, like Mayner, I do find these time consuming to build but I reserve the right to substitute them at a later date as they are more detailed! I plan a fleet of around a dozen covered vans. Meanwhile 'my design team' have been beavering away preparing drawings for the etches for two of the original 4-4-0's and the ex-T&D Kerr Stuart 2-6-0. The chassis etches are due for delivery any day and the excitement is building. Finally I will be attending the mini-Scaleforum event being put on by the North Norfolk Area Group near Melton Constable on Saturday (25 September), operating on Geraint Hughes' Danish Obbekær layout so if anyone is in the area, please drop by for an Irish narrow gauge chat - https://www.scaleforum.org/ Cheers Phil Edited September 21, 2021 by Phil3150 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) Excellent work! I tried to persuade Pete Parlin to produce a batch of Backwoods miniatures C&L wagon chassis etches to go with my resin cast wagon bodies without success. The thought of 4T etches and 3D printed C&L wagon bodies is very tempting, but its probably time to move up to a larger scale especially if the Accuracraft Live Steam Kathleen I ordered in 2019 ever materialises. https://www.accucraft.uk.com/products/kathleen-lady-edith-cavan-leitrim-4-4-0t/ I don't really have room for additional stock on my current Irish 3' layout and assembling small scale chassis is becoming a struggle with my clunky fingers, shaky hands and failing eyesight. Edited September 21, 2021 by Mayner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 Fantastic work Phil and will certainly look forward to seeing how the new locos progress too. As for a live steam Kathleen, am salivating already.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 (edited) Terrific work, Phil. The KS 2-6-0 is a lovely loco - look forward to learning more. Kathleen’s exciting all right - especially as it’s meant to be the start of a range ! Imagine - an NCC 2-4-2T or a C & M ‘Blarney’……Neil Ramsay has produced stuff in 45mm gauge - see below - but mass production makes it more available for us lesser mortals….. Edited September 22, 2021 by Galteemore 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 I think Neil Ramsey's C&L 4-4-0 is an old Archangel model. John Campbell batch built several classes of live steam Irish Narrow Gauge Locos some of which appear on Neil Ramsey's railway. I had set my heart on a John Campbell T&D 2-6-0T, but he was not prepared to export outside of the UK or Europe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil3150 Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share Posted September 22, 2021 18 hours ago, Mayner said: I tried to persuade Pete Parlin to produce a batch of Backwoods miniatures C&L wagon chassis etches to go with my resin cast wagon bodies without success. Those chassis are now available again from Neville Kent at N-Drive Productions. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil3150 Posted September 22, 2021 Author Share Posted September 22, 2021 No sooner said than done! Today the chassis etches dropped through the letterbox. This is the complete set for the Kerr Stuart 2-6-0. And this is how I know it will work - the 2D etches built up into a 3D drawing. A pair of 4-4-0 chassis as well. I'm going to be very busy. Phil 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Tasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil3150 Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 Goodness, is it really 18 months since I got those etches. Well, 4T is getting close to the paint shop with just a few more bits to attach - bells and whistles? Once this, and the two 4-4-0's, are finished I really must concentrate on building a layout for them to run on. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Hi Phil are those etches available to purchase by other modellers? Colin Rainsbury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 On 22/9/2021 at 6:48 PM, Phil3150 said: Those chassis are now available again from Neville Kent at N-Drive Productions. He's kept that quiet, then, as his website doesn't mention that. We're still a good few years from seeing the rest of the Backwoods Irish range coming back into production. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 11 hours ago, Phil3150 said: Goodness, is it really 18 months since I got those etches. Well, 4T is getting close to the paint shop with just a few more bits to attach - bells and whistles? Once this, and the two 4-4-0's, are finished I really must concentrate on building a layout for them to run on. Lovely - best looking of the T and D tanks I think. Poor brakes meant that she was unloved in Tralee but went down well in the less steep C and L. Beautiful work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Hi Guys i think we may be going into the black hole of OOn3 modelling, I do know of a 3D print of 4T by Tom Bell, but again I am not sure what is happening with that. As for a chassis etch I was not aware of one. So I was wondering if the loco etch and the chassis etch are something that Phil has got done himself, I am not suggesting for one moment that he turns it into a commerical exercise, but that said if you can get say 10 others to buy them from you, you can often get a set done for yourself for free. I can think of four people not on this list that might be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil3150 Posted June 1, 2023 Author Share Posted June 1, 2023 4 hours ago, Colin R said: Hi Guys i think we may be going into the black hole of OOn3 modelling, I do know of a 3D print of 4T by Tom Bell, but again I am not sure what is happening with that. As for a chassis etch I was not aware of one. So I was wondering if the loco etch and the chassis etch are something that Phil has got done himself, I am not suggesting for one moment that he turns it into a commerical exercise, but that said if you can get say 10 others to buy them from you, you can often get a set done for yourself for free. I can think of four people not on this list that might be interested. Colin, 4T is a joint project with a friend to produce an engine for my own layout. Neither of us has any wish to go ‘commercial’. The chassis is continuously sprung and with a bespoke gearbox. Virtually every bought-in component has been altered in some way. Preparing instructions doesn’t bear thinking about!! Maybe at some future time we could make the drawings available but I wouldn’t want to be building it blind from a kit of parts. 6 hours ago, Horsetan said: He's kept that quiet, then, as his website doesn't mention that. We're still a good few years from seeing the rest of the Backwoods Irish range coming back into production. Back then I was referring to the C&L wagon chassis. They are definitely available as I bought some from Nev a while back along with a passenger brake van kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Hi Phil. Thanks for the up date about the etches, regarding instructions Worsley Works don't have any, as it just make things more interesting, good luck with the model. Colin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Shame about Backwoods, shame too they never did much (anything?) in 7mm scale. Temptation to build a 4-8-0 and 4-8-4T, even as just display models, would have been difficult to resist! Love the 2-6-0T, by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) Worsley works do a 4-8-4T in 4mm but could blow it up to 7mm if you wish The big problem we now face is that with 3D printing many of the locos we would have build from brass are becoming available as a 3D print, so far no one has given a lifetime of these prints, but some people have said that after about five years or so the prints start to bend and lose their shape, so may be this is not the way forward. It a bit like trying to force everyone over to electric cars, what an environmental disaster waiting to happen that it. Colin Rainsbury Edited June 1, 2023 by Colin R 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 3 hours ago, David Holman said: Shame about Backwoods.... Give it 5-10 years. We should see the original range back by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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