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MGWR Inspection Saloon

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Hi all. Any interest in this one? A 4mm scale 3d print of a lovely MGWR inspection saloon No 352. The design is approaching completion, I'm hoping to get it test printed before Christmas, before release early in the New Year.

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Hi Richard. 

Small point it looks like GSWR saloon 353 which survived in service until 1964. Looks a nice model interesting to see that you have incorporated NEM pockets in the bogie design.

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Yes, it is indeed the GSWR one. The MGWR one was a very different design indeed, with curved end corner panoramic windows but no open balcony. It was twelve wheeled and was probably the single most luxurious railway carriage ever to run in Ireland.

Incidentally, any MGWR coach or wagon which survived into the GSR or CIE era had an "M" after its number, thus an ex-MGWR coach no. 139 would now be 139M.

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Evening all!

 

Yes, apologies, sorry for the confusion. There's a photo of it on page 18 of Des's book - numbered 352 (Quite clearly), though described as 353. I do rather like it, it's a train in one....! I've drawn it up from the photo, and the drawing in the 'Transport Planning Associates' book which I managed to get sight of at the NRM. As luck would have it, I was at Warley at the weekend, and it looks like a much better drawing has been found. I'll keep the thread updated on how the project develops over the next few months....

Cheers for now.

 

Richard.

 

 

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A model of this would be a REAL beauty. Old GSWR / MGWR types, many of which ran in traffic well into the 1960s, haven't ever had anything like enough attention paid to them.

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Richard,

What a beauty!  That coach would be a prize on Old Blarney. A yes from me.

JB. Can you provide information on the liveries this coach ran in?

 GSWR, GSR and then into CIE Green i suppose?

Did this coach run in various CIE Greens?

David White.  

 

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David

Yes. GSWR first of course, probably including the white upper panels for some or most of the time (all-over dark purple maroon being the norm for less salubrious stock). Under the GSR it's unlikely it wore the short lived chocolate & cream as it wouldn't have needed repainting very often, so if it got a repaint after around 1933 it would have been the later "LMS" shade maroon like all GSR repaints after that date. 1945 onwards the darker (bus / steam loco shade) CIE green with full gold-lined "eau de nil" snail and lining. I never saw a picture of it in that livery but it must have carried it within that period. Latterly, as shown in many photos of it on the IRRS special to Castlecomer, it had the second green livery, the lighter shade with unlined snail and a single lining at waist level. Thus, as you say, both of the two green liveries.

One wonders what it would have looked like in black'n'tan....

There had been talk of preserving it. It could therefore have ended up in Cultra....

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2 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

 

There had been talk of preserving it. It could therefore have ended up in Cultra....

iirc, spotted a photo, taken in Inchicore, of this somewhere.

It was earmarked for an IRRS trip, but a rough shunt condemned it. Part of metalwork on the balcony can be seen as having broken away.

 

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On ‎29‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 8:55 AM, minister_for_hardship said:

iirc, spotted a photo, taken in Inchicore, of this somewhere.

It was earmarked for an IRRS trip, but a rough shunt condemned it. Part of metalwork on the balcony can be seen as having broken away.

 

The photo's in Des Coakham's 'Irish Broad Gauge Carriages, page 18 - sporting the rough shunt damage that appears to have condemned it. Looks to me as though it's in green with a stripe, no flying snail, just a number.

Cheers for now.

Richard.

 

 

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That's correct, Richard, so it never got black'n'tan. It would have been the post-1955 green, as seen on DCDR's TPO and (a few years back) the RPSI (Dublin based) Heritage set.

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