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  1. Thanks Galteemore, that removes the temptation to buy a Farish version which would then probably drive me mad trying to finescale it and move all the valve gear and the cylinders to match the wider gauge.
  2. Thanks Irishswissernie, that completes the list.
  3. Hi Jhb171achill, I suspect you are correct, the J10s didn't appear to stray too far from Dublin being used for freight transfers to North Wall. My guess is the Limerick based ex WLWR 4-4-0s would have been used on the Waterford - Limerick section leaving the ex GSWR D14/17/19s working north to Sligo amongst other duties. Another surprise for me is the two moguls based at Limerick (one GSWR, one MGWR (if you can call the Woolwich moguls MGWR engines)). I wonder if these would have worked to Sligo? I don't recall seeing a photo of a mogul at Sligo from either Dublin or Limerick. There is a Limerick allocated loco I've not been able identified from the number which is 251. I suspect this is a J15 but the number is skipped in Locomotives of the GSR.
  4. Expanding out a bit I've put the number of the different locomotive typed based at Sligo, Mullingar, Broadstone and Limerick into a spreadsheet. This is summary of the locos that are likely to have been seen at Sligo, obviously most of the Limerick locomotives wouldn't have worked north. It doesn't include the SLNCR engines. This is based on the 1938 shed allocation in "Locomotives of the GSR" Posting it here in the hope it may be of interest.
  5. Hi John, You are of course correct. In selecting a J5 as the first representative of any goods loco on the Midland line I am not modelling the mundane reality, I'm also giving myself a challenge with that raised running plate! Those J6s do look quite brutish, I hadn't considered them before and I do like the extended smokebox arising from the fitting of the superheater. In general the considered opinion in 2mm scale circles is to fit the motor in the tender as the small body without any side tanks makes the motor difficult to hide and enables the boiler to be heavily weighted for better traction (always a problem in 2mm). The relative low sided Midland tenders will create an issue in hiding the motor but they've got around that in the photo above by piling coal over it!
  6. Hi Galteemore, I did think of looking at the MGWR drawings but wanted to work of GS&WR in case of any difference. I do have enough carriage drawings to make something effective, and, given the lack of visible detail on photos probably sufficient.
  7. The coach is coming along nicely. The first job after forming the sides is to cut out some partitions from brass. Experience has shown that these are needed to give the shell some strength otherwise it is all too easy to bend the sides of the body inwards whilst handling. They are easier to make at this stage as the etched ends provided can be used a pattern. The main shell and chassis is now complete (barring detailing), I just need to work out a way to consistently form the complex shaped handgrabs. I'm just using plain wheels as I think the carriages lost their original Mansell wheels prior to the GSR merger. I certainly cannot see any in the photos available of the period. The Cleminson chassis goes together nicely and will hopefully make for a good running model. Unfortunately the supplied roof is not wide enough, but it is a small job to cut out a new one. One question though, As originally built these carriages were oil lit and by GSR days they appear to have been converted to Gas. There a re a couple of nice roof shots around with show Pintsch gas lights with torpedo vents above each compartment, but I can't distinguish any gas tanks under the chassis in any pictures. As I haven't been able to find a drawing I'm struggling to know what to model for these, can anyone offer any enlightenment? Thanks Angus
  8. With regard to the J5s I've just realised that two J5s were shedded at Mullingar in the 1938 list, one of which was the later type with the raised footplate. In the 1920 timetable in Ernie Shepherd's Illustrated History of the MGWR the 11.30PM goods from North Wall split at Mullingar with the first train working selected stations arriving at Sligo at 12.30PM (a 13 hour trip!) the second train worked nearly all stations, including those work by the first train (which does seem a bit odd), arriving at Sligo at 2.20PM. This splitting of goods trains seems to have stopped by the time of the 1930 timetable posted by jhb171achill on page 1 of this topic but I'm sure Mullingar engines would have found their way to Sligo. If not there were plenty of J5s available from Dublin.
  9. I've just joined the IRRS myself, I hope there is some left! I'm also looking forward to the new Manchester area meeting when they get underway post lock-down (whenever that maybe).
  10. Hi Galteemore, Lots of work that may never happen but I hope to be cutting brass on the first of the SLNCR tanks soon.
  11. Examining the numbers of the various trains I can see I'm going to have my work cut out to model these! Looking at the locomotive requirements (the best bit!) for each line in turn- The SLCNR At this period the SLNCR had three classes of locomotive The small Beyer Peacock 0-6-4 tanks in the Leitrim class The large Beyer Peacock 0-6-4 tank of the Sir Henry class And finally a pair of ex GNR(i) A class 0-6-0 tender engines It would be nice to represent all three classes although initial focus will be on the tanks which are synonymous with the SLNCR and I will need these in the near future for my Dromahair micro layout. Next the ex WL&WR lines to Limerick. There are many photos showing D17 haulage between Limerick/Tuam and Sligo and these are among my favourite Irish locos, especially with the original double smoke box doors The 1938 loco allocation table in the back of "the locomotives of the GSR" shows six D17s shedded at Limerick. The post above shows the ex Robinson WL&WR 0-4-4t E2 one of a pair that survived into the thirties and was still shedded at Limerick in 1938. Finally I supposed we should have a goods engine, either one of the ex WL&WR 0-6-0 J25s (two at Limerick) or a J15, but there is also photos of ex WL&WR 2-4-0 G3s at Sligo and that would make a nice contrast with the MGWR G2 2-4-0s that were closely associated with Sligo, although only one of these G3s was shedded at Limerick in 1938. That leaves the MGWR lines to Dublin. A G2 is a must, according the 1938 shed list two of these were based at Sligo but many more would have visited from Dublin, There were enough variations in these engines to build several of which no two would be the same. I quite like the brutalist rebuild of the belpaire boiler and superheated version shown above. For freight work a J5 is a must. I particularly like the later builds with raised footplate that combined with the large 5' 8" wheels give a real long legged look. A J18/19 would probably be more representative, with a couple based at Sligo but J5's are also in the photo record at Sligo, the mundane can follow! Additional passenger support can be in form of the D6/7 ex MGWR C class 4-4-0, in original form they were quite elegant I would quite like a D16 D bogie but these seem to have been put to grass on the Galway and Mayo branches in the period. The final surprise from the loco 1938 loco allocation table is the presence of a J26 ex MGWR 0-6-0t at Sligo. Given there were no branch workings from Sligo, I can only presume this engine worked as a shunter on the quays or as a station pilot. So I've got my work cut out! To operate a core service representation I'll prioritise the building of the two SLNCR 0-6-4t, a D17 for the Limerick workings and a G2 and J5 for Dublin. That should keep me off the streets........
  12. I did have a look at Ballysodare with a view to modelling it, to be honest, if modelling the whole station it would need about the same visible section as Sligo but require two fiddle yards so take up more space. That said, if the eastern end up to the station could be modelled with a suitable off scene exit I think that could be quite effective. The AnyRail doodle above is in 2mm scale and based on A6 pointwork which can be compressed using different switch lengths in templot. I'm not sure it works as I've compressed the eastern end to fit in a six foot length, the station is also a bit short. I've noticed compression seems to work better the bigger the scale, 2mm scale really needs to reflect the real scale distance more. The junction signal is also the wrong side of the signal box and the goods shed needs moving nearer the station. It is only a proof of concept sketch. I was contemplating this as a stepping stone to a the larger Sligo layout but that doesn't really work as it is as big if I reduce the compression (bigger with the two fiddle yards) and would need the same amount of stock to operate effectively (which would be the main driver for a "stepping stone" layout). Hi Galteemore, I am a big fan of the SLNCR's Beyer Peacock tanks, they are what got me modelling Irish railways in the first place, however, I don't think they could ever be described at "elegant". Perhaps we should move on from such controversy at this time in the morning!
  13. Hi Mayner, I've been reading up on just this subject as I think the Robinson tank engines would add a touch of class in comparision to the SLNCR Bayer Peacock tanks. It seems the 4-4-2t disappeared off the Sligo route quite early in their existence however one of the 0-4-4t is noted as working through to Sligo in early GSR days, in later days it was moved on. I'm going to classify my early-mid 30's time period as "early GSR" By this time it had been rebuilt with extended side tanks so had lost some of its earlier Robinson elegance.
  14. Want one, want one!...... I currently reading the Para Handy collection by Neil Munro and regularly see Puffers on our Scottish holidays Very jealous and you've made a lovely job! Chust Sublime! As captain Peter MacFarlane might say.
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    Hi Arbhin, I not sure where you were looking but the 2mm scale association do deliver internationally, here is an extract of the postal rates: You do need to be a member of the Association to order though.
  16. Thanks John, I'll read and digest after work this afternoon.
  17. Thanks RichL, another great photo. A couple of MGWR 6 wheeled coaches can be made including one of the characterful birdcage brake thirds. Also, is my imagination, or is the station home a dual repeater signal with two arms on the post? In all Post civil war pictures I've seen this is just a single arm.
  18. Thanks Jhb171achill, The summer 1930 timetable would be much appreciated. I guess the 28 would be, 4 each way over the WLWR and SLNCR routes (so 16 workings total) with 6 each way to Mullingar (12 total) we shall see! It will be interesting to see the make up of pure passenger, mixed and pure freight workings.
  19. Hi GNRi1959, Railtec do GNR freight transfers in 2mm https://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=1159 and Steve will reduce any of his 4mm scale sets to 2mm if the printer resolution works. He is a one man band though and seems to have an immense workload so patience is the key. I'm currently waiting for him to reduce his NCC Jinty set for me.
  20. I feel I should point out that the missing planks on the meat van is not Mayner's error. The planks are present on the artwork so have been missed by the etchers. I am grateful to Mayner for reducing these etches to 2mm scale for me and they do produce excellent results. As there were so few copies (three of each van, two for me one for another 2mm scale Irish modeller) it wasn't cost effect to do a test etch which would have revealed the error. I was willing to take the risk that everything wasn't perfect.
  21. With the arrival today of the springs and axleboxes (a new product form the 2mm scale association using 3d printing) I thought I had finished the meat van. Seen here with the horsebox and the now obligatory 5p piece. Something had bothered me ever since starting the meat van and I now know what it is. The planking is not etched on the side panels and doors. As I see it I now have four options:- Ignore the error (not something I could live with) Pen in the planks after painting (not sure I could make a good job of that and make it look effective) Scribe the planks in the brass on the van (that might have worked with the etch in the flat before I started, but now it's built I think I would be more likely to bend the etched sides) Adding the planks on 5 thou plasticard is the favourite. I've also got a couple of GS&WR six wheeled coaches to build from some Worsley Works etches. I've got a brake 3rd (not a birdcage unfortunately as Allen didn't have any in stock and as the etchers are in lockdown not likely to be in stock in the near future) and a 1st/2nd (1st/3rd in the period modelled) luggage composite. I'll start with the composite as I don't need to deal with those awkward lookouts. I've yet to find any drawings for the GS&WR six wheeled coaches, I've plenty for the MGWR equivalents, can anyone point me in the direction of some?
  22. Thanks Irishswissernie, That does neatly lead me onto my first question, which is to try and establish service levels into Sligo in the early to mid 1930s. Is there a source for Working Timetables anywhere? A couple of months of watching ebay has not turned anything up. Starting with the line from Limerick, timetables published in C. E. J. Fryer's The Waterford and Limerick Railway for 1895 show 4 up trains from Limerick/Tuam: one goods, one mixed, one passenger one mail train. There was an additional passenger on Tuesdays and Saturdays. Presumably there would be balanced down workings also. So how were these working affected by the take over of the GS&WR and the GSR? By the 1957 timetable above the service had all but disappeared, I am guessing (hoping!) that traffic and so service levels in the early to mid 30s would still be healthy. A copy of Ernie Shepherd's Waterford, Limerick and Railway has just arrived so will hopefully offer some enlightenment.
  23. Thanks Irishswissernie, Your Flickr pages are a massive source of inspiration both for my Irish and Scottish modelling so many thanks for the time, effort and expense you put into the site.
  24. Love the chickens Galteemore, as you're probably aware Micheal Hamilton's mother kept chickens in the crossing keepers cottage at Dromahair and they roamed freely. There are photos of the chickens scratching around the yard during shunting operations. Something I'm definitely going to have to include, I just need to find a 2mm scale chicken.... (some does produce an etched one!)
  25. Thanks RichL, that's exactly the view I haven't been able to find. IT will still be useful for the post civil war condition. With the post civil war girder roof I am hoping to make it lift out. I don't think this should be too difficult and that way I can have the best of both worlds, the roof in for photography and out for operating. The solid roof would hide too much of the trackwork and operation. Thanks David, Especially at the speed I build stock! hopefully I can get some core stock built in a reasonable timescale, will still involve 6 engines and associated trains if I define "core" as being one passenger and one freight from each of the feeding lines. Better get my finger out!
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