I've travelled on French, German and Italian trains in recent years (as well as British of course) and they've all been electric. I think it's a tad unfair to compare them with diesel power in this case, but even so despite all of the above being very impressive the 22ks are quite decent in my book too for what they are. I also dont get this 'plastic' argument bandied about by people, it's certainly not something the everyday commuter cares about and they're the ones paying the fares. All they want is for the train to be on time and comfortable which the 22ks are. It's a pity that IE havent managed to get the capacity aspect right at peak times yet though but that's not the fault of the train itself.