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Ah, the 'unexpected purchase'! Very nice Noel, looking forward to seeing it develop. No doubt it will be a worthy companion to TJ2.

Excellent atmosphere!

But at least it's the correct colour and it's the right way up!

The photo on the front cover of IRRS Journal 187 (June 2015) of A16 at Killiney in the summer of 1956 shows the locomotive with wipers on both sides.

Looks like it will be a 'must have' book

Excellent work.

Very intriguing Noel!

Brilliant work Kieran

Who won't?

According to Johnson's Atlas & Gazetteer there were two railways on Rathlin Island: #379 - as Joe Keegan mentioned above, this was the inclined plane used in the construction of the West Lighthouse. It was about 200 yards long and was operated by a four horse winch. In operation from about 1912 until circa 1917. #409 - a ¾-mile 3' gauge tramway linking the Killeany Limestone Quarries to the pier in Church Bay. It was owned by a Mr Johnson and seems to have been in operation around the 1922 period. The stone exported from the quarry went to Glasgow.

Thanks for that K. So 233 never got the window back. I suppose we can assume that 234 didn't either.

I think you are right JHB. All the B201 class locos were fitted with headlights when they were re-engined with GM power plants, including 233 and 234. So all the NIR 104 class would have had headlights.

Love to see that photo if possible. Barry Carse's book has a photo of NIR 109, but it's from the wrong side!

Again, Barry Carse's book is a great source of photographic information on the Maybach-engined - B233 (p 36), 233 (p 11) and 234 (p 6). The photos on pages 6 and 11 show the two locomotives in the CIÉ Supertrain livery, while the one on page 36 shows B233 in the black livery with yellow warning panel below and white chevron above the front windows. The chevron is noticeably slimmer and pointier at the top when compared to those on the GM engine locomotives, where the white area had to accommodate the headlight. A point of interest is that the circular porthole window at the No.2 end on the right-hand side, which was there in C class days, is blanked off on both locomotives. On the other hand, locomotives which were re-engined with GM engines retained this window. Did the window re-appear on 233 and 234 when they were fitted with GM engines?

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Have to agree JHB, Barry's book is indeed a fantastic resource. As you say headlights only were fitted with the re-engining programmes. Thus A class and C class no headlights, Ar and B201 classes with headlights.

If we assume that the distance between the platform edge and the nearest rail remains constant then the centre line is moved out in 21mm gauge by virtue of the wider track - i.e. the distance from the rail nearest to the platform to the centre line of the track is 8.25mm in 16.5mm track and 10.5mm in 21mm gauge track.

In the thread about the Provincial Wagons (http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/3103-SPOILing-the-Ulstermen?highlight=spoil+wagons) model of the spoil wagons prototype photos show the wagons with numbers prefixed with a 'C' in the 1990s. When did the prefix change from 'M' and were the wagons re-numbered at the same time?

The converted 20' flat wagons were from the series 25436 - 25983. These had been introduced in 1966 and had a 12' 0" wheelbase, weighed 8 tons and had a capacity of 20 tons and were vacuun braked. Unlike later series of four-wheel container flats these were fitted with steel floors. See thread from Mayner: http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/3099-CIE-25436-25982-Series-Flat-Wagon for details of his model of this type of wagon.

And just what were IÉ supposed to do? Store wagons for ten years just in case someone might decide to resume growing beet. And what benefit would a siding in Wellingtonbridge be for beet being grown in 'Co Cork somewhere'? And where would the crop be processed - all the factories have been demolished (by their owners, not by IÉ)? If beet does come back in a substantial way, then it would seem likely that a new factory, or factories would be built in the beet growing area (s), not in a location requiring rail haulage of the raw product. And in any case is the 'Co Cork somewhere' location anywhere near a rail line? Dive, the 'bogie beet wagons' were not new. They were existing 42' 9" container flat wagons on which 40 ft containers were mounted. Again, the containers were not new but were acquired secondhand and received some minor modifications (internal bracing and alerations to doors). I'm not sure what happened to the wagons, possibly some are in traffic on liner trains, but I'd suggest that the containers were probably withdrawn.

There are also a couple of YouTube videos of this excellent tour: and

That's upside down jhb!