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A bowl of labor diaboli is quite nice in some Italian places but if it's not cooked properly it can give you a very nasty dose of pax vobiscum. I hear it causes nasty side-effects and unpleasant secretions.

I'd say so. If I find any info I'll post here......

I’m not sure, Ken, but I’d be surprised if it was much different from your DWWR ones. It’s the only image I have of that one.

No. 4, yes.

Here is a typical cattle wagon of an earlier generation (1880s - 1920s). The shorter wheelbase was the norm on all railways back then, not just the DSER. This wagon is obviously of GSWR origin. Examples of many varieties of older wagons of this length were still in use in a few cases just about into the "black'n'tan" era - certainly in 1960/1. The massive wagon building programme of the 1955-65 period in Inchicore put paid to all old designs very quickly, though.

In later years at least one had the roof lookout removed….

On pages 124 and 126 of Taylor's book there are drawings of two of their standard designs of 30ft long six-wheelers. Those vans were built to the same overall external dimensions, so that's a start. They started life in ordinary wagon grey, but in later years got a darker grey shade (with the GSR) and a few - not all - of them ended their days in plain CIE green, of the later (lighter) shade. None were ever in the darker green.

If you’re a blues man, I’m sure you know my old friend Dermot Rooney from Belfast….

Last silver anything (locos or coaches) mid 60s. Last green 1967. Almost certainly no green loco ever hauled bubbles*, and very definitely no silver one did. No brown wagons till 1970, so nothing brown behind a silver or green anything…. (* and if it did, for maybe one day!)

Brown only post-1970…..

The spare van. . Arrival….

….and they’re (nowadays) pretty crude, from what I see…..

Thing is, for a West Cork layout, right until closure there were still quite a few real old antique short-wheelbase wagons on the system; the vans especially not at all unlike KMCE's DWWR ones - they probably dated back to the Cork & Bandon Railway! So if I was modelling West Cork, I think I'd be placing a significant order for the KMCE ones. Plus, of course, a pile of Provincial Wagons' stuff.

I would very much welcome something like this too. CIE appear to have started a major purge of ex-DSER stuff quite early on - from the late 1940s. Also, little DSER stuff seems to have migrated to other lines, so any information on such things would be very welcome indeed, and you are to be greatly commended for sharing the fruits of your research.

At the risk of starting an interminable wish list, to which I'd be well able to contribute wishes of my own, I have four of the KMCE wagons and am delighted with them; also I have a guard's van from JM design. In both cases I am highly impressed with the quality of the 3D printing - it's certainly come on in major leaps and bounds from the extremely crude early 3D models. Quite a few of the things you mention above - indigenous buildings, GSWR coaches, etc., would fill major gaps - but you ask about interest. I have often had conversations with people who would say "if a manufacturer made a model of X, I would buy four..." The issue, I think, is whether someone is prepared to put the work into making a print of any one thing - be it a loco body, coach, wagon or structure, with a potential market of maybe ten or twenty buyers, or even less for some more specific or specialised things. The KMCE wagons are something I might add to, but in single figures rather than, say, twenty of them - and certainly not because of limited satisfaction with them - more so limited space! A signal cabin, platform, or other structure - each buyer will want just one, or maybe two. Locos, probably likewise. Coaches and wagons will sell more than one to a number of buyers. (Count me in for GSWR bogies!) Maybe if someone with the technological skills, equipment, and who is prepared to go ahead with such a project was to simply request PMs from people who would be genuinely, and seriously interested in buying a 3D print of some favourite thing, a pattern might emerge. Like many here, I would have maybe half a dozen items that if available to a high standard, I would buy from someone who was prepared to make them up. I would do it myself if I had the skills and equipment.

Triple wow from me! That is truly spectacular even in a larger scale, never mind N! You've the colours and subtle shades off to a T as well. Truly inspirational work.

Each livery was general. Until the advent of the silver & black with yellow ends on 071s, and their current all-over grey (a la GSWR / GSR!) no Irish diesel ever had a specific freight livery. The closest you’d get to specific liveries is the 201s in “Enterprise” livery, and what started as a Mk 4 livery became a general livery for that one class. But in silver, green, black, black’n’tan, and the orange and black liveries, there was no “division of liveries” at all.

From 1935 at least, and possibly a couple of years earlier, these two liveries, which had run concurrently with principal stock in the brown and cream and secondary, local, six-wheel and narrow gauge stock in the older all-over "dark lake" colour, were replaced by a livery virtually identical to that of the LMS in Britain, and by extension the NCC - except that in later years much stock on the NCC was unlined. The variation to this last livery was in secondary and narrow gauge stock which also, coincidentally, was unlined. This overall maroon spread to all GSR stock by degrees, though one MGWR coach was observed newly painted brown and cream as late as 1936 or thereabouts. When badly weathered, this colour could take on a brownish tint, due to brake dust sticking to it, just like most bogies on anything both then and now. When faded, the paint bleached to a salmony pinkish colour - for anyone who wants a derelict coach still in old GSR livery stuffed among the weeds at the back of a siding on a layout.......

This brown and cream appears to have started about 1928/9, and possibly when the Pullmans appeared; they initially carried this livery.

For a major railway company from 1925 to 1945 which operated the overwhelming majority of all of the railways within the Republic, remarkably little coherent info of use to modellers seems to be out there, other than the McMahon & Clements locomotive "green bible". The GSR had three distinct carriage liveries, with variations on two of them. First, 1925 onwards, a continuation of the GSWR's extremely dark maroon, or "crimson lake". Darker than the colours then in use by both the DSER and MGWR, and quite a change from the green of the CBSCR and the liveries of certain narrow gauge lines. The lining style shown above could vary according to the carriage design. This livery was PARTLY replaced in the very late 1920s, initially only on main line bogie coaches, though it seems that a small number of six-wheeled brake vehicles also got it, probably to look uniform on the Cork and Galway mails. This was a GWR-of-England inspired livery, by the look of it; chocolate brown, as opposed to any sort of "brownish" maroon, and cream, with black lining.

Questions: 1 They need to know what the possible demand might be. 2 Malahide & Greystones were (and still are) growing rapidly and thus more commuter traffic. 3 Who knows - they haven't been built yet, or delivered, let alone trialled. Far, far too early to tell. 4 You'd need to speak to an IE engineer who was involved at the time.

Fiddling about with photo techniques. This was done to produce a telephoto effect, by taking the picture from about 3ft away and zooming in. It does show, though, that doing a proper backscene attached to the wall is well overdue...... The twice-daily mixed approaches Dugort Harbour.

Tried this today - same hand-held iphone, to start with, but taken from a distance of about 3-4ft and zoomed in. Already a distinct improvement, and this is BEFORE I get a tripod out. I need to get proper backscenes secured to the wall!

Indeed! Fry put his initials and a date on most (though not all) of his models. Look at the ones above - on the ends of some of those carriages, and the locomotive “makers plate”. On the Dublin & Drogheda one, for example, you’ll see “C L F 5.44” (May 1944) and dome of the carriages are 1947.