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Personally, I think that would have looked way better than the yellow, orange and black they had originally - or, indeed, any livery they've worn since..... I'm tempted to get a cheap British 08 and repaint it like that as D303..... but I'd need to concoct an excuse as to why it ended up in a remote corner of Wisht Kerry, boy!

I'm quite certain, Mol, your talk on the railcars will be of reference-book quality, given the highly detailed research that I know you are doing! Definitely one to look forward to.

Very many thanks, WCW. Much appreciated. Barry’s photo collection is amazing. Our current work is particularly difficult, as both the volume and quality of his photos would comfortably fill five or six books on the same line, so filtering out what we want requires “rejecting” some equally amazing stuff…. We’ll see 70 class NIR railcars, a G class loco, and sugar beet - on the DSER! Amongst other things…. It’s been with the publisher for some two years now. It’s in their Q, I believe. I’m working on two new projects at the moment, too. Longer term.

Four so far. “Rails Through the West” dealt with Limerick - Athenry - Claremorris - Ballina - Sligo - Sligo Quay. “Rails Through North Kerry” was Castleisland - Tralee - Fenit - Newcastle West - Foynes - Croom Branch - Limerick. “Rails Through Tipperary” covered Limerick - Waterford, Thurles - Clonmel, Thurles sugar beet factory sidings, the main line Thurles back to Limerick Junction, the Nenagh Branch, Killaloe Branch and Cashel Branch. “Rails Through Wexford” covered the North Wexford & South Wexford lines, and the Wexford - Rosslare Harbour line. That’s the four. We are currently working on a fifth volume. Provisionally called “Rails to the South East”, it will cover both Harcourt Street and Amiens Street to Bray, including the Ballsbridge Showgrounds Siding, Bray - Wexford, the (many!) industrial sidings along the way including Enniscorthy and Shelton Abbey, and the lesser-known Woodenbridge Junction to Shillelagh branch. You may take this as the first public announcement that we’re working on anything at all, as both of us are heavily committed with all sorts of other things! We had actually intended to commence this one several years ago, but we’re currently meeting every three weeks or so to advance matters.

Saw that archive a while back - excellent stuff. Vast majority non-railway, but quite a few like the above. Shows a lot of detail. As I'm always telling the young wans, this is back in the times when the railways were INTERESTING, as were INDIVIDUAL trains, as scarcely two vehicles were exactly the same in ANY train.

A scratch-built “tin van” is worth the effort for that!

Yes, I forgot about that! The GNR lab would have had a lot to do with that too, and now that I think of it, I think I was told they also I tested something to do with the metal content of rails. The last time I had any sort of detailed conversation with the former works manager there, I was probably in my 20s, wish I’d paid more attention and asked more questions!

Absolutely. Inchicore and Broadstone did, and I’m sure the likes of the NCC did too.

Latterly, yes, but still grey I think in the early 1940s when these pics were taken. Actually, I’ve a spare copy of this book for sale. If anyone’s interested, €20 + postage anywhere. Local post rates for north, south & Britain. Binding is a bit shook, but this book is a hens teeth thing by now.

Paint was one thing; they were meticulous about proper adherence to guidelines on colour, not just on rolling stock, but buildings. They also tested and monitored chemicals used elsewhere, such as creosote for preserving sleepers.

See attached; from the GNR’s commemorative book, published then. Note the purpose-built turf wagon. The image of the Fintona tram is in its original dark maroon and white livery. Meanwhile a chemist in the lab gets paint pigments spot-on for the next paint batch order….

Those oul colour slides from 1949 - ye need them scanned to stop further deterioration.... cheap oul film back in those days....

Nope, don't think so - certainly never a Park Royal.

No... I am pretty certain they never hauled any CIE coaches.

There are several Downpatrickers online here, Mol. I am certain you find everyone there, be they ITG or DCDR, to be most helpful.

Exactly!!

Correct - used for carriage-heating in the cold mornings. All stock still had steam heating till the late 1960s / early 70s.

A further thought; even when modelling a small rural terminus, of the "fit-in-the-corner" type, it's always a good thing to try to imagine a scenario where two companies met, or where stock from several companies would all be seen. Primarily, the reason is that many of these out of the way places rarely had anything other than the very same six-wheel coaches that they had when they opened in the 1890s, and same locos. Take Kenmare; the very last train was hauled by a loco already over a decade in traffic before it opened, and which type almost monopolised the line for much of its life (J15). Likewise, until its last few years, trains were always standard GSWR six-wheelers. Thus, a strictly accurate model of many locations will have but one or two different types of everything! Much more variety, therefore, if the place (be it real or imagined) could conceivably have Midland stuff alongside GSWR stuff - which itself could be a combination of "original" Inchicore designs with also ex-WLWR stock. Go to the likes of Collooney and you've all three of the above, plus SLNCR stock (stop drooling, Galteemore!) and a lot of GNR goods stock and coaches on "pilgrimage" days. If we are in the Connemara area, your Maam village terminus might see GSWR stock (if the line came from, say, a junction at Ballyglunin or Tuam), GSR-ex-WLWR stock, like a G2 2.4.0, and Midland stuff too. Between the various designs of goods stock for all of these, plus locos and coaches, already you've a bewildering variety of prototypes/ Loughrea was on the Midland, obviously, but not far from Athenry. For some 20 years, two ex-WLWR G2 2.4.0s (291 & 293) were the regular engines on the line. Ballinrobe, on the other hand, despite proximity to "The Crewe of the West" at Claremorris, seems to have have had an exclusive diet of MGWR J18 0.6.0s for most of its life. Just some rambling thoughts. Personally I am a big fan of actual prototypes, with every detail as it was in real life, but (plausible) "might-have-beens" undeniably have a massively greater potential for the modeller.

Me too.

Re that GSR committee, I believe my grandfather had some part in it but I don't know any details. All I know for certain is that a whole lot of recommendations resulted re the J15 class in particular, and he was tasked with doing the design work for a number of hopefully standardised ways forward. Mind you, by the time the last J15s were withdrawn, hardly any two were identical in every detail, an issue with any numerous and long-lived class. Family folklore suggests that the main bugbear was money, as a result of the lack of which, serious attempts at all sorts of standardisation were curtailed or never properly completed, and even where attempts were made, it was too little. They had similar thoughts on standardising passenger stock, which would have included replacement of most 3ft gauge passenger stock with a GSR standard, had money be available. But it wasn't. The "standard" GSR passenger coach for 3ft gauge would have been bogie vehicles of 35-40ft long, broadly based on Cavan & Leitrim types, with end balconies (possibly enclosed). I would love to see a drawing of a thing like this, as many PROPOSED locos, wagons and coaches DID have drawings made - but again (through family folklore, anyway) it seems this vehicle was not even drawn. There just wasn't the money.

For the timberwork, the MGWR would have painted this red, and the GSR (later CIE too) darkish green, which soon faded to exactly the shade shown.

Well deserved.

The Carbon Police will have you on their wanted list (and me today too)

Seems that despite most Belfast services actually being on target and normal, the 1st, 7th, 12th, 22nd, 45th and 119th Laws of Sod are fully invoked every time I plan to go to Belfast! Sadly, I drove today. I don’t do “bus”…..!

I know, yes - the railway is getting busier and needs to be maintained to an uncompromising standard of safety - but have we reached a stage where between DART works and main lines, we may as well assume that henceforth there won't be meaningful train services on any bank holiday weekend?