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I have it, but don’t tell them.

I can only pin it down to several tenths of a second…..

I’m speechless; this is truly outstanding work.

No, the earlier “G”s never carried a “snail” either in silver OR green. The green livery of G611 at Downpatrick is fictitious in three ways - 1. Only the G601s ever ran in green, never the 611s. 2. Even if they had, G611 has black side frames (should be green) 3. The snail and small number on the cabside is entirely wrong; should be large number and no logo. When first in traffic the G611 series were black’n’tan. The tan band disappeared on SOME of them (not all) a few years later. When the last three were in use in the mid / late 70s, 611 & 616 had no tan band, but 613 did.

Happenings the other day…. The photo is of the forerunner to the GSR’s “Woolwich” K class - the South Eastern & Chatham Rly’s N class in England. It’s personally signed by Maunsell (bottom right).

I'll fish them out today and PM you both.

I may have a couple of brass kits of Bredin coaches here to sell if that's any good. I would just want whatever they cost me in the first place (from Studio Scale Models) which i'd have to look up.

Very sad news, but as WRENNEIRE said, it was known that this was coming. Nothing I can add to what's been said above, other than re-emphasising that he truly is the "grandfather" of modern Irish railway modelling. Without him, we'd probably still be painting British class 47s and French electric locos in orange and black.... I very much enjoyed the all-too-few conversations I had with him. Rest in Peace, Paddy.

Ya will boy!

Great to meet up again last night, Mol! We must do it again soon.

Pronunced Jones. A very approachable, deeply knowledgable and thoroughly decent guy!

Are those white roofs on the maroon omnes or pale grey?

That was a carefully-pushed publicity photo. It includes a railcar set in a fairly random-looking consist very likely because these were the very first things painted in this livery.

That’s correct, yes. It looked odd on some older stock when the split between the black and (technically incorrectly described) “golden brown” seemed to look as if it was in the wrong place! Latterly, it tended to be at a level more suited to the contours of the individual vehicle. Also, in earlier experiments with this livery in 1962, the white band above the windows was thicker.

While close up they’re not remotely like anything that ran here, the black’n’tan livery is so striking that these will look very credible in it. An excellent budget job. Make sure you paint the roofs black as well, rather than grey, whether in green or black’n’tan.

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WOW! Never knew it had been lit up!

These are different, though. DCDR’s 836 is in the GSWR’s 1906 “main line” livery (which it COULD have carried, but almost certainly never did). This is the “crimson lake” rather than brown. A bit like the colour of Guinness, it looks dark brown (almost black when badly weathered, according to Senior, who saw an old brake third in that livery in the late 1920s). But in fact it’s an extremely dark red. The upper panels are off-white. This coach was painted all-over lake (lined) some years ago, which is certainly correct. The late 1920s-early 30s GSR “main line” livery, only applied to certain corridor stock, was different. It was a mid brown, similar to the Neighbour Island’s Great Western Railway, with buttermilk-cream upper panels and black lining. Quite obviously too, the former had GSWR markings, and the latter GSR.

It’s unknown, unfortunately!

It was much the same. It is possible that while the early 50s colour on 801 and one batch of new coaches was an experiment, and despite the fact that it was not proceeded with at the time, that in fact the “new” coach livery from 1955 was simply this, with simplified lining compared to the dark green.

Was aware it had been there - I saw it there, but was not aware they had used it.

Interesting! I am unfamiliar with the technology, but appreciate its continually improving results. As for Sambo, yes, bits and pieces, like "Pat" in Cork. Almost certainly no drawings for either.

I think it shunted the west-side quay sidings friom Albert Quay at one time. Whether it ever went "out" on scheduled services there I would think exceptionally unlikely. 299 would be easy to paint anyway; just drop it in a vat of very dark grey paint! Or, actually - serious point here; I know nothing of 3D printing but sionce that thing is bright green, does that mean that someone doing this can print something in a colour of their choice? If so, if a very dark grey plastic was used, and it wasn't translucent, all the modeller would have to do is paint the chassis wheels grey to match and away ye go.

Likewise, I think it's a combination of factors. As one who remembers both, the NIR ones always seemed better kept. The overall Mk 2 design, compared to Cravens, are absolute rust buckets - awful things. The CIE / IE ones, I think, always just seemed what they were - second-hand, second-rate. On the other hand the NIR ones were introduced in a blaze of positive publicity as a "prestige" train - which compared to anything else on the island, especially on NIR at the time, they were.

Yes, she would be in the experimenta lighter green there - probably newly done. Wasn't aware that it ha no number then! Maybe they applied it later!