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jhb171achill
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They aren't anti-diesel as such, UP; the paying public are. There is a considerable body of interest in diesels within the RPSI membership, but the hard reality is the public want steam, and the enthusiast market is commercially speaking extremely limited; this was always the case even with steam. Enthusiasts talk a lot but won't generally put their hand deep enough into their pockets to maintain all they want. The general public are there in sufficent numbers to do so.....
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Just for the record, 87 is a UTA coach, built in 1951, several years after the NCC ceased to exist. The RPSI has tended to paint it in NCC livery to match the others, but it would never have worn maroon paint in traffic. Green until nir days, then maroon and grey for the last few years of its life. While a UTA vehicle, it's design owed much to NCC styling, as this is what York Road's drawing boards would have been used to.
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The RPSI still has the Whitehead heritage rake which is mostly of NCC origin, but not entirely. One of them, ex-GSWR No. 1097, is on long term loan to the DCDR and is in traffic there. A couple were sold to GB, I think - one anyway. Rest in whitehead.
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Geordie, should you not be laying Kerry instead of Cork? I'll get me coat...... :-)
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Absolutely superb! Well researched and well done!
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The 071s are less technically complicated and spares are just as easy to get, therefore they are cheaper and easier to maintain despite their age.
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Locos didnt have drawbar numbers - only the front buffer beam. This is because tenders were often stopped. The colour pic only shows traces of lining. I think the job was poorly done and the lining was wearing off!
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You're quite right, Scots Mac - I had forgotten about that! There weren't too any that got so smokebox door numbers. I think that was probably confined to Woolwiches and 400s, but maybe 500s too.
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The very one, kirley, thanks. Note the lining to the snail and light green band, white fleet number, grey body and black mudguards. The black mudguards often had a white patch on the tips, especially if not always in post 1962 black cab era.
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good stuff, cg-Antrim, glad "Rails through the West" is giving you inspiration! Gort was indeed a nice little station before its demise... Presuming your layout will be a through station...
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The pic of 402 at Mallow certainly seems green as I see some trace of lining, though interestingly there seems no trace of the number on the buffer beam. For a free, grey or black loco that would be highly unusual. All locos were generally numbered there under all ownerships. The one of 407 I'm not sure about. No lining seems visible, and the numeral and "snail" seem clean enough - it could be grey.
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There was a photo put up here at one stage showing a lorry somewhere about O'Connell Street about 1960 or so. When the new liveries appeared post-1962, the lorries began to be reprinted the same time as the buses. The goods-hauling part, the trailer or flatbed sides, were a light silver grey. The cabs were black with rounded on them replacing the snail.
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Sounds like a superb project. Many possibilities! Many Scottish stations looked like they could be on the Clifden, Valentia, Achill or Kenmare branches. If you make the station buildings look West Cork like, i.e. corrugated iron, there would be Scottish similarities there too.
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Those look great Scots Mac! I would say, as a constructive comment, the grey was generally darker, though Senior recalls seeing a single loco sitting outside the paint shop in Inchicore in the late 1930s in even lighter wagon grey! The conversion is superb too. All you need now is a dose of heavy weathering! I don't have a scanner but I will see what I can do re getting a copy of that pic put up here. Leave it with me and I will consult those with a better "tech-head" on them than I have when it comes to computery stuff!
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Looks great!
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I should have added, Kirley, that both the light green band and the "snail" were lined, as on buses and most pre-1955 railway coaches.
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Indeed, Hunslet! Apologies for the confusion, it's the way I put it. As you know, there were variations among them - in fact, it's possible no two were identical! I have a picture which my father took of one, but it didn't come out very well. I looked it up yesterday but the pic is so dark it doesn't throw any light on the matter..... (see what I did?) I do have an idea that at least one might have few or no vents. In any event, a very unique and interesting model.
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UP, yes, you are right about CIE keeping Mk 2 stock away for the Belfast line for many years. I recall travelling by "Enterprise" quite a lot between 1979 and about 1983; towards the end of that period I travelled in a Mk 2 set, but in the earlier part of that period it was laminates, Cravens and Park Royals mixed up, and a 24XX series dining car like the one at Downpatrick! I footplated it a couple of times, once in an "A", the other time a (less common) "pair". I've a notion it was 150 + 155.
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Didn't know that, Horsetan! Interesting!
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Congratulations to Mayner for this initiative!
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I made enquiries a good ten years ago about the cost of an exhibition standard layout of one terminus and nothing else. It came to over £10k sterling, without any locos or rolling stock!
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Wow!!!!!!! Incidentally, I did a bit of further research and have uncovered a colour pic of 401 in very shabby green, taken at Inchicore about 1960...
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I do seem to remember AEC lorries, yes, those distinctive radiators. But lorries would not have been my big thing. UTA had a lot of flat fronted Albion lorries, painted pale green. CIE never applied the post 1955 light green to anything on tyres, only things on rails!
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I think it's four of them were converted to guards vans.....
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CIE dark Brunswick green, snails on doors, plus lining, all in light green. Fleet number in very small lettering as ore any suitable photos. Small weathered white patch on bottom of mudguards. Actual body, cargo-carrying bit, in grey or a greyish colour. Number plates black with white or silver-grey numerals. The whole thing fairly work-stained looking!
