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171 will require a considerably greater amount of work, and lots of money. It is planned to have her out again, but it will be some years before it happens.

Incidentally, hammer blow wouldn't be an issue.

Nobody on this island would like to see "Maedb" back in traffic more than me! But I have to say (and with benefit of RPSI experience for many years) that it is safe to say it won't run again. Theoretically, of course, it could; theoretically anything can happen. The issue which would need to be faced are the size of the locomotive, which would make many bridges tight, the colossal cost of retoring it and training crews, and the economics of running it. The RPSI operates in a much smaller marketplace than UK train operators, and even if the market was there things like platform lengths come into play. How many stations in Ireland could take a 15 or 20-bogie train? Modern H & S regulations wouldn't allow a train to operate which was longer than the passenger platform at which it stopped. Cultra have a live steam model of 800, though not on display. It is one of a number built by the late model maker from Dublin, (someone) Montgomery. I think it is 7 inch or 10.5 inch gauge. THAT could operate!

Is it €620 for a full RTR model including painting?

(.....hanging my head in shame.....).... I'll have to take to the drink....

A bit like the orange and black window frames on NIR's 112!

Hahaha!!! That nun, Glenderg, will give me nightmares for a month! Better hit the beer to recover....

That weathering is so very realistic. Looking at the way many models seen on these boards are treated like this, i.e. exactly as they are in real life - makes me wonder why anyone would want a shiny model when attempting to achieve realism! A loco straight out of the paint shop in real life will have at least a little weathering after its first trip! Most 141s and 071s in recent years had the day-glo patches on each end - but in most cases these had degenerated to a dirty salmony pink, as we can see.

I've a horrible confession to make; if I get banned from here and ostracised by the entire civilised world as a result, so be it; here goes. I have got used to that logo now. Sorry. :-)

Yer wan with him is also a nutcase! Neither of them looked...... There's another youtube clip somewhere of a guy doing that in England while taking a pic of a preserved steam train going the other way.

There goes a man with no PTS....... nor hard boots, or dayglo vest - but do ye know what! He survived....

Must check that out, Weshty - it's one of the very few books I don't have at the moment. Interesting.... I remember seeing a pic of a Woolwich which looked like it had darker than usual green, but it was very dirty. Another pic of the same loco somewhere else, taken about the same time, showed it much lighter... same with railcars sometimes. I remember the UTA green could look a lot darker in certain light if it was dirty. I'll know what it is when I see the pic!

The UTA's MPDs are a modellers paradise!

Interesting, Weshty. I was aware of the one-offs in black or blackish colours, and the green one, though earlier when I posted that I was away from my own research records so couldn'nt quote exact loco numbers from memory. But the "blue-green" intrigues me. Is it possible to direct me to the pic showing it? I suspect it might have been the standard green, but very dirty, possibly allied with a distorted colour rendition in an old slide, but I'd be interested to see it anyway.

The grey on RPSI's 186 is correct - described in GSR days as "dark battleship grey". Occasional variations, according to those who were there to witness it, would see an occasional locomotive painted even darker, and many appeared dirty black when heavily weathered. At least one J15 was turned out in a colour little darker than wagon grey in the 30s. Towards the end of steam in the late 50s, a few locomotives were painted black. A list of them is in the late Bob Clements / Drew Donaldsons book on CIE locos which was published in the 70s. The RPSI for some reason "dirties" the smokebox and chimney on 186, while maintaining clean paint on the rest of the loco, to make the smokebox look black. In traffic, it was all grey - one of extremely few liveries in the world where the smokebox and chimney were not black. Wheels were also grey.

In CIE days, Park Royals would often turn up as intermediates - even wooden ex-GSW coaches also could be seen in AEC sets in the 50s. The GNR and UTA also used ex-loco hauled stock as centre coaches in AEC sets.

In CBSCR days they were green, probably a shade of olive green, lined in yellow. After 1925 they were all over grey, smokebox, wheels & chimney included until withdrawal. One (maybe 2 - have to look it up) of the class received lined CIE green as seen on 800 in Cultra, in the mid 50s. Pre-CIE days, from 1925 they had the standard cast GSR numberplates. Later CIE used the then-standard painted numerals.

Damn!!!!!!!!!! You'll laugh at this, but this iPad turned "josefstadt" into "upsets tarts"!!!!!!! Did you see that?

As upsets tart says, I would check out that info. Generally, small country termini would have one goods platform with separate area for loading cattle and a goods shed, and one passenger platform at which the run round loop was generally situated. Perhaps 3 or 4 sidings. Compared with GB you wouldn't have much in the way of private owner sidings, though some existed and one would make a nice addition to the layout. A small loco shed, maybe one or two roads, and a turntable would complete the picture, as would an adjacent station master's house....

Anyone modelling one? ,!!

Congratulations! Absolutely excellent, very authentic model.

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Or my car? or my lawnmower? Cups and saucers?

That's mad, Josefstadt.... I wonder will they extend it to Downpatrick! If they do that can buy the paint themselves for the lettering!! :-) What about the various 3ft gauge heritage lines too?

Indeed Mayner... I remember seeing the GN section variant - it did remind me of the GNR livery though the UTA version had a shade of blue more like the GNR locos had been, not the darker (almost navy) blue of the railcars, buses and Fintona and Howth trams! The green version on the Bangor line just looked odd, especially those cars (not all of them) which had a painted-on red buffer beam - it clashed with the green and must have been a nightmare for anyone who was colour blind. It's worth noting that the UTA version differed in a few respects - the inclusion of the NIR logo being the most obvious - this was on everything. The original version was upright rathern than slanted, and was in gold, edged in white. It was applied to several steam engines, creating an NIR "livery" for steam engines which was simply the existing UTA black with their lining, but with the UTA crest painted out and the NIR emblem added. The now preserved No. 4 latterly had the UTA crest on the right hand tank (from the driver's view point) and the NIR symbol on the left. The NIR always used light grey rather than the cream used by the UTA on some variations. Imagine what a Hunslet would have looked like in lined black, or a "Jeep" 2-6-4T in early NIR maroon! Now there's a photoshopping thought.