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21 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Amazing models in that you can actually buy a P4 RTR version / great way into Finescale

Next up - IRM models in 21mm gauge? Accurascale offer P4 wheelsets. Just saying… 

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43 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Amazing models in that you can actually buy a P4 RTR version / great way into Finescale

They did it with the Class 24. I picked up a slightly broken cheap one and, later, an equally cheap set of P4 wheels for it. Not bad.

21 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Next up - IRM models in 21mm gauge? Accurascale offer P4 wheelsets. Just saying… 

Accurascale's Class 55 P4 wheel pack is 98% correct for the IRM "A" class. Just fit the wheels onto the IRM axles and 21mm gauge becomes reality.

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Just now, Horsetan said:

They did it with the Class 24. I picked up a slightly broken cheap one and, later, an equally cheap set of P4 wheels for it. Not bad.

Accurascale's Class 55 P4 wheel pack is 98% correct for the IRM "A" class. Just fit the wheels onto the IRM axles and 21mm gauge becomes reality.

Excellent! So it’s surely only a very small step for IRM to offer 21mm gauge wheelsets for the Irish locos? 

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17 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Excellent! So it’s surely only a very small step for IRM to offer 21mm gauge wheelsets for the Irish locos? 

Aren't there differing standards / concencus on how Irish 21mm should be implemented?

20,2mm etc...

If so, that makes offering drop-in wheelsets problematic.

I'm sure an IRM / PECO collaboration on 21mm flexible track in metre lengths is just around the corner.

I can just picture the mail-out:

Take a Peco at our newest innovation; 21mm flexible track, designed in conjunction with our friends at Peco, and due in stock with our new 21mm drop-in IRM wheelsets!

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To be honest the take up of finescale for UK stock is so incredibly low as to not justify the cost of making them and that’s based on tens of thousands of 37’s for example already in customers hands. 

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16 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Wheel standards are one of the challenges, I agree. 
But not impossible. Worth a discussion. 

 

This kind of discussion:

https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/9509-would-you-model-in-21mm-if-rtr-track-and-models-were-readily-available

 

4 minutes ago, BosKonay said:

To be honest the take up of finescale for UK stock is so incredibly low as to not justify the cost of making them and that’s based on tens of thousands of 37’s for example already in customers hands. 

 

That's the bottom line there, that the bottom line is the bottom line.

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4 hours ago, BosKonay said:

To be honest the take up of finescale for UK stock is so incredibly low as to not justify the cost of making them and that’s based on tens of thousands of 37’s for example already in customers hands. 

One of the main differences between British and Irish outline modeling is the total absence of a group advocating for Irish fine-scale modelling.  The Peco EM gauge track system is exclusively available to members of the EM Gauge society an organisation that was established by members of the Manchester Model Railway Club after the Second World War, other fine scale modelling groups working in 7, 4, 3 and 2mm scales developed their individual standards and partnered with specialist manufacturers to produce the necessary components including flexible track systems, point kits and individual track components, wheels, suspension systems etc etc.

Interestingly the majority of Irish fine scale (Broad & Narrow gauge) layouts featured in New Irish Lines over the past 15-20 years were built by people who live outside of Ireland, mainly from England and a lone German. Their main motivation probably to produce something entirely different to the local modelling scene/prototype.

I guess Irish 21mm Gauge modellers could always form a group to develop and agreed set of standards and then underwrite the production of a track system and 'drop in' 21mm gauge wheel sets for Accurascale & MM Irish outline locos and stock, something I can't really see happening.

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