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Just a tad yeah=)) it's like looking at a different loco from the other end. The no2 end is painted to match the rolling stock. 8209 is the same with the black band only around the no 2 cab. I find the red stripe very late in dropping down, I think it should be level before the cab door, same with the purple. It's going to be a very hard livery to re spray.

Just looking at the current state of 206 before it went in and the dirt on 207 and 233. The washer is not good enough. The Enterprise 201s are generally the scruffiest 201s but I reckon that is from years of extra fumes from being on HEP for 18 hours a day before the EGV became standard.

Well 8209 seems to be holding up ok for the past few months but in saying that it's not as active as normal and held as standby in Connolly the past few weeks. The silver is starting to get a brown hue in places.

Wow, that look amazing. I think Paddy Murphy was on to something with the small number font on the last 201s:rolleyes: Odd that 8209 has the large offset number like 8208 has/had on the last livery yet 206 has the UIC style head number. Also I see long lost 087 peaking out behind 206.

I take it the work on 216 is conformation that it is going to be one of the Belmond locos or only one?

Great work, looks like you got the yellow panel on 111 spot on as it is slightly smaller than the one on 112. The Revell 52 is the perfect shade alright, you can't tell where it was painted over. The FSBO really looks the part behind 111.

At least now he's dropped the €28 postage to Ireland that was on it last week when I posted it. Just needs to drop another €200 to shift it. The body of the Lima's is not bad though. The orange to yellow colour mix is better than the MM ones and much more accurate imo.

Just happens, there is a good bit of it within the MM range and Lima to Murphy. MM078 and MM7078. 078 was painted in slate grey when the model came out but it was not released to traffic at the time until some months after the model came out. MM8208 (2008 Enterprise livery) MM208 in NIR blue, Lima 208 NIR blue. MM230 in Enterprise and Lima 230 in Enterprise and IE orange.

Great news. Can't wait to see 206 finished. It was in most need of a repaint after 209. Alot of the Enterprise 201s seem to be suffering from rust problems around the roof area of the no.2 cab end. 207 and 227 are fairly bad I think. I find it a bit odd that only 208 got the last livery and IE held off on it's 201s. 208 was painted in 2008 so it got around 6 years out of it which isn't too bad I think. I think NIR left 209 out as it had no working HEP gear and the EGVs were not a sure think at the time. Hence 209 spending most of it's time on Mk4 runs.

Yep, old news if you don't route around the site. It's been up on other rail chat forums I visit since last November too.

Only last week I saw a very good slide on ebay featuring 084 hauling a Mk3 set out of Heuston. 084 was still in GM livery and you could see the contrast against the then new ST livery on the Mk3 EGV. 084 must have been one of the last to get ST livery. It was the last loco in service with the IE livery and all.

IE used orange shade (RAL 2011) after 1990 or so. Before that it was all tan.

Glanderg could well be onto something on the possibility that this release was a bit of a rush job at factory level. Just comparing the Galway Mk2s that have the more technically difficult livery bang on and fixed finer detail issues like door details. The release before that of the two IE standards fixed quality issues in the buffers and roof ends lifting off. It's almost a case of two steps forward and one back.

Some people still haven't got the memo yet. €372 + €28 postage for a Lima 201! http://www.ebay.ie/itm/LIMA-205159-IE-CIE-IRISH-RAILWAYS-CLASS-201-LOCO-216-RIVER-DODDER-MINT-BOXED-nc-/331422674305?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item4d2a54ad81

Have to say I agree with all the recent posts. I would consider myself to have decent selection of MM products at this stage. I will still be buying the ST Mk2Ds despite their issues and intend to get them fixed up at a later date. I am very happy with the 141/181s and Cravens and with the 071s for the most part. The last batch of 201s were a disappointment with issues on all 4 locos. All locos had their numbers in the wrong font, they were not even close to the correct size as earlier releases. The cab side numbers were in the wrong position on the NIR locos and the livery was not right all around the sole bar and lazy effort with the silencer covers painted in blue. The Enterprise locos lack small livery details with logos that the 12 year old Lima locos featured. Yet they went and got detail like the white fillets on 230 correct. This is in stark contrast to the factory that produced the 071/111s. Thay got detail like the unique 141 window frames on 112 correct and 082's name plate. Yes the 071s have issues with some locos still having their tablet catcher plates fitted and or in the wrong colour like on 078 and 085 but most of them are spot on. PM needes to go back to the producers of the BGMs and Cravens and stay with them for any future releases as the 201s and Mk2s are really letting the side down. Paying €180 for a loco and then having to fix big livery errors that are clear as day to see even if you are standing well away from it are not on.

The RPSI have it in Whitehead for the past few months.

Ah, I remember them well. I had the one in the first post, well two actually and a red one. Also had a nice collection of 11 coaches for them but red metal bodies and a different style plastic roof to the one Dave posted. That was until our pet dog at the time took a fancy to them one day and she chewed the roof off 7 of the coaches and scratched the paint on the locos. As a wee young fella I was reduced to tears at the time.

That begs the question, where did all the orange and black roof EGVs end up that people are having to get Galways resprayed. If anything, standards should be in the shortest of supply due to people naturally buying more of them to make up rakes.

Regarding the contrasting doors. The doors on the DARTs are the same they always have been. Even the refurb sets came back the same colour. The doors are the same shade of green as the bottom section of the livery.

That is an amazing legacy to have, my he RIP.

Considering how fast the orange roof Mk2s vanished better hop on these quick. I see the recently Galway EGV is already is short supply and hard to find in places. Have to get one of them too.

Yeah and after all that yellow face lark, the 2008 Enterprise livery comes out and 8208 having more black up front than any 201 before and a small yellow panel. The battleship grey 071s now feature a NIR 111 style yellow panels. That looks far better. All the yellow for nothing than a knee jerk reaction. Even during daylight the main headlights or LED marker lights are far more visible from any distance than an all yellow end.

Thank's Red for the info about the Mk2s. They always seemed a bit off to me and I could never put my finger on it. To me it looked like the sides ran too low to the soul bar. But the windows being too high makes sense to me now. It does throw the shape off compared the Bachmann Mk2A/Bs bottom window level which looks more like the real thing. Suppose at this stage it would cost too much for a new side moulds with the windows lowered.

I don't mind the door colour thing as much as the yellow face fad that started around the end of 2005 and no seems to have ended. At the time I think it was a UK thing rather than the EU safety requirement. Can't say I liked the yellow face on the freight 071s and especially the orange 201s. One of the Enterprise DVTs even ended up with an all yellow face for a short while until the new 2008 livery, awful looking. It was like a per way unit.

I do recall mixed Mk2D liveries with IR orange roofs mixed in with the newer IE black roof livery. I was too young to be around to see any Mk2s or Mk3s in supertrain though.