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Record the match, Dave, and watch it later?

Folks, I can't recommend this talk too much. The detailed story of Steam's Last Triumph. Joe was there when all this happened, knew the loco crews and can give you a taste of what a remarkable operation this was. He has given the talk before, but it will now be enhanced by colour slides taken by my late friend, Lance King, who took over a hundred brilliant slides in wonderful weather (honest). For you Game of Thrones fans, this was Steam's contribution to the building of the future Castle Black (Magheramorne Quarry). That's enough overselling - see you on Thursday! Leslie (for IRRS London) TOMORROW’S MEETING (ONLINE via Zoom) 19.00 Thursday 18 March 2021 "UTA/NIR Spoil Trains of 1966-70" by Joe Cassells The UTA/NIR Spoil Trains were the last great challenge for Irish steam. Over 3½ years, WT Class 2-6-4T locos operated 7600 trains carrying over 4m tons of spoil from Magheramorne to Greencastle. Lifetime recorder of the railway scene, Joe Cassells, keenly observed the operation but now using previously unavailable information, he has produced the definitive description of it - its conception, its planning, and day-to-day activity. There is a special focus on the locomotives and enginemen but through word and photos, Joe gives us a full insight to this impressively successful project. If you saw Joe’s similar presentation to the RPSI in February, it could be well worth watching again. This talk will be an enhanced version of the February presentation. It will include many more colour images (taken by Lance King). It will include additional information about the procurement of the wagons, industrial relations issues relating to the selection and rostering of loco crews and some alternative (somewhat “off the wall”) ideas put forward by the government in the early planning stages. And as ever, watching any talk a second time always reveals detail that you had already forgotten or not paid proper attention to first time round! COPYRIGHT Please note that all images in this presentation are subject to copyright and you are requested not to copy or record any part of it. Doing so could lead to an infringement of Copyright Law. The Society has, in the past, taken action to protect copyright. ZOOM ACCESS CODES To access the meeting, click on this link : https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84732855513?pwd=czVhQk1GMEhtYWF6NG1abk5Sa2I1dz09 or open the Zoom app on your device and enter : Meeting ID: 847 3285 5513 Passcode: 044302 Alternatively, you can join the meeting by telephone (audio only, no images) by dialling in on one of the following numbers and keying in the Meeting ID and Passcode when requested : UK +44 203 051 2874 +44 203 481 5237 +44 203 481 5240 +44 203 901 7895 +44 131 460 1196 Republic of Ireland +353 6 163 9031 +353 1 240 8941 +353 1 536 9320 +353 1 653 3895 +353 1 653 3897 +353 1 653 3898 In any other country, you can find a local dial-in number from : https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kd5yCuQA9D Please note that if you dial-in, you will incur a normal call charge for the duration of the call.

Well done Galteemore - the loco is available as a Hornby "Star" Class, of course - Hornby R3455 GWR 4-6-0 'Knight Of St Patrick' 4013 4000 Star Class However, SIXTY years ago exactly this Blessed Day (something for everyone - steam and diesel). - St Pat's Day tour 17 March 1961 Lance King Bequest, Copyright IRRS

Hear, Hear. God's blessing on you all today, of all days. My neighbour (Brendan) has his big Tricolour out on display in garden. Did you know that Reading is twinned with CLONMEL? If I had time to find it - I'd post a pic of NCC No.62 Slemish where the Saint did indeed "Mind my sheep".

GNR(I) Cement Hopper in 4mm Sorry, it's not PW's next wagon. If I could get my iPhone to send files to y Mac, I could show you it behind a GN loco. Obviously, next best thing - a scan. I have two built by a well-known member of this forum. They make a nice comparison with my earlier GN bagged cement wagons. Leslie

Shane, See: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Roco+model+coach+with+opening+doors&docid=608045586067423920&mid=10D5A2A14783BE42A13910D5A2A14783BE42A139&view=detail&FORM=VIRE NOT a Silver Fish set in this video but standard express set. I leave you to search further - good luck - German / Austrain / Swiss railways, real and model are great! Leslie

Roco did a demo model of a "Silver Fish" suburban coach set with lights and opening double doors, just like the real thing. I don't know if it ever went into production, but it was a very compelling model. Oh, and working pantographs have been around for about 40/50 years at least on HO models

Have to agree, LM - I try and avoid the UNSocial media as much as I can. Despite Provincial Wagons not having a Facebook page, we come up on Page 2 of the replies to your "Google" query above - in good company with IRM, MM, Silverfox and Marks Models. A month ago, a guy in Illinois found my website - and he was looking for connections to the Titanic - It turns out that one of John Milligen's coal wagons (which is on my site) was photographed alongside the ship as she was being built. Quod erat demonstrandum? Or, as an even better Man said "SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND!" Like you, I wish the guy well, but not for me, thanks. LM (the other one!)

Follks One or two of you mentioned that you had missed my talk, using the slides of the late Lance King. Well, this MIGHT help? Monday the 8th of March, 2021 13:00 London With Lance King in Ireland – 1957 – 1963 by Leslie McAllister Yes, tomorrow, and at lunchtime! If you want the registration details, either e-mail me on lesliemcallister@aol.com or PM me. Hope you are all well. Leslie

First, thanks to those who attended and made such kind comments. I am repeating the talk (same pictures, but a different story, I'm sure, as it's live) next Monday (at 1.30pm) to a Locomotive Club of GB branch. If others want to "attend", I'll seek the Club's permission to make registration possible. I'm not absolutely sure if we recorded the Thursday talk, but will check. In time, I'm sure a lot of the views will appear on the IRRS Flickr pages - worth membership on their own!!!! As Ernie says above - JOIN UP! LESLIE PS Glad the Fair scenes went down well (BSGSV) - a valuable record of times past in glorious colour

As Lambeg man said earlier, it's on the 1969 Brian Boru tour, just after 171's return to service after the H&W overhaul. It was, I think, the RPSI's biggest enthusiast tour contingent - Ian Allan travel brought 70 over in a single group, to bring the passengers up to 300-odd. Just after the No.4 shot, her pony truck derailed on the iffy shed trackwork and trapped 171 inside! The late Inspector Paddy Gannon, Bless him, simply said to Drew Donaldson - "Decide what you want to do?". The local PW men set to and had her on the track again very quickly - 171 (complete with blown gland) took the train forward on her own, but later 4 caught up (running LE bunk-first and double-headed from Ballybrophy - it's a long story ..... which I often re-tell during talk on the RPSI over here. "Another place, another time" ............... and a very different world! Great stuff, Ernie, as always, thanks.

Ah, I'm glad you've read this - LOTS of shots on CB&SCR! You do NOT have to be a member, but you'll need to download Zoom (free) if you don't have it already. Leslie

just a quick reminder to those of you who like Irish Railways in the age of steam (and the beginning of the diesel era). I am giving one of my presentations of Lance King's brilliant colour images of Irish Railways tonight. This one is mainly in the Republic. By Zoom, of course. See invite below. I hope that we'll welcome some of you to an IRRS meeting for the first time? Leslie THE IRISH RAILWAY RECORD SOCIETY Dublin Digital Event 19:30, 25 February 2021 “With Lance King in Ireland – 1957-1963 by Leslie McAllister (IRRS London Area) (Digital sign-in from 19:00) London Area Committee member, Leslie McAllister, pays tribute to the Area’s founder Chairman, Lance King, with a first selection of Lance’s colour photographs taken in the Republic in the last years of steam there. 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Great stuff, Patrick. I don't need a website any more, I'll just give callers the link to your thread! Nice to see the little Bulleid Flat in a train - you'll have to get a baler, or the like, as a load? Made my day, almost as much as watching my two year old granddaughter singing Happy Birthday (to herself!). Leslie

Thanks, Patrick, for the lesson - simple of effective! I'll send you a very polite request for permission to use it on my website. It looks a lot better (!) than a clean wagon - oh, was that crash my friends (who know I like clean trains) falling over? Leslie

Patrick. Firstly, sorry to hear about the foot issues - I hope that you continue to fully recover. Yes, I agree that John's SF coaches are certainly improving - makes you wonder why people want more when he does quite a variety? Now, naturally I loved the beet train - nice wagons, well built from our kits - shows they travel well? I'm happy to say any of you who want some (as kits) can have them as I have recently built my stock up. Keep well, Patrick and keep modelling! Leslie

Old Blarney's (aka David White) home layout is well-covered in the March edition of the Hornby Magazine. Six pages of excellent photographs show off a very fine layout, with a short description of the "location" (including the wardrobe). The period shown is a mixture of steam and diesel, more sixties / seventies than 1990s! David, like most Irish modellers of a certain age, has kit-built and ready to run locos and rolling stock from a variety of sources - SSM, Murphy's Models, Silver Fox and (of course) my own Provincial Wagons. I had never seen my GNR cattle wagons behind a CBSCR 4-6-0T before! The variety of stock shown in the pictures underlines just how far Irish railway modelling has come in the past twenty years and David has shown his stock off amid very well executed scenery. Even car and bus enthusiasts are well catered for in a busy station forecourt scene. Lots of figures "doing things", while one gent, keeping an eye on things, made me wonder if David had put himself on the layout. Well worth a look and thanks to David for sharing views of his fine layout with us. Accurascale has a two-page spread announcing their "Manor", Mark 5 carriages (they really do like good) and an exotic animal called a Coil A. Good luck to the lads with those, which look more than promising! The problem is getting a copy - I had mine posted to me by a kind friend who was not isolating!

Hhmmmm, well now that's a good idea, but impracticable in a model situation - I only can see one side and my principal line - the Armagh Line runs at the front of the layout and makes access to locos which need a prod first thing in the morning a lot easier - see the Portadown Jct video - the third snip shows the way I've done it - I suppose I could turn the World / house round on its axis? I could put up a giant cctv screen on the lineside showing the front of the shed to Dublin "spotters"? This 20 year old Bush my well-off son bought me for Christmas is having a funny effect on me ........

Those modelling anything pre air-conditioned era certainly have needed good RTR coaches for a long time, so it's patently plain where to go next (not that it's my money, of course!). One advantage of being a septagenarian is that I've been building up my coaching stock for twenty years - Now I haven't got the space for any more - even the Cravens (which are super, thanks, Paddy) are in their boxes, along with the Lima air-conditioned stuff, the Green Staniers etc. I do have three IFM Park Royals, which I rather like and they're still above board level with a 141 hauling them! (so I'm with Noel on that one). I think that over twenty pieces of mahogany coaching stock is enough? All hand-made by a variety of master modellers known to this forum. I counted my freight stock (that is GNR only) the other day and ran out of fingers / toes etc - again far more than I can accommodate. Time to finish relaying the track so that things run properly and get Portadown Roundhouse building BUILT! Providing IRM produce something built before 1975, and non-airconditioned, they can be sure of a customer! I think that the Golden Years of any railway were quite simply the ones which you personally enjoyed. Over sixty years, having travelled behind steam in two dozen countries and some 150,000 miles - it's hard to choose! The diesels / electrics (Switzerland, especially, for the latter) were just a bonus. Every day's a blessing and a golden gift, enjoy it while you can! Leslie

Come off it, Noel - I offer most of the obvious goods wagons as kits - am I going to vote, like a turkey, for an early Christmas? However, to support a good customer, I've filled it in! Like the Lord of Blarney, I'll take a tank wagon - I don't do those - everything else (that I don't make) was after 1970 and so of little interest. Laminates would be nice on the coach front and help make up a CIE passenger train, whether behind an early diesel, or a steam loco. and obviously a J15 (even if I have two already and am modelling the GNR). I haven't commented on the "which steam loco" thread, because I don't see it happening - even IRM can't believe they can sell thousands of an Irish steam loco? If they do, then the J15 is the obvious choice - yet when it was offered by 00 Works (yes, I know it wasn't cheap, or perfect) it barely sold, not even a tenth of what IRM would be looking for. Like others on this forum, I have supported most of the endeavours of my fellow producers (just ask "The Lads") and will continue to do so, if only to encourage a worthwhile hobby which has brought me and others a lot of enjoyment over the years. I want the people - now growing up / yet unborn - to be able to enjoy much more than was possible when I was growing up. Time for bed - I have wagons to send to the USA in the morning ..... Sleep well and keep even better Leslie

Have to agree, George - shows what you can do with a bit of patience. Noel - ever tried a twelve road roundhouse?

A lot of sensible comment in the last few posts. Good to see our young man from CBSCR territory saying he'd not mind the older stock, but George's comment is the one to home in on - it's we old men, with big houses/lofts (or garden sheds?) who have the space for a longer train - and believe me, I can run a GNR 4-4-0 round with eleven bogies on - but we're a minority (?). The great thing about the late 1950s/1960s was that on secondary lines (not many of us have room for a main line run) the trains were 2/3 coaches, often a mix of Ancient and Modern with a tin van and hauled by a J15, or a "new" diesel - like Paddy's single-ended B Class, or the Lads' A Class. So a tin van and either Laminate or Park Royal would be nice for you guys modelling such things. Back to K801's comment - he's dead right - a lot of the younger generation (or generations yet unborn) will be looking for what they remember seeing, or still see - hence (I can't believe I'm saying this) the modern coaches for your 201 Class and a ICR set (with an oval of track) are what they'll be looking for. With that, back to the 1950s, blue locos and mahogany coaches........ I can just about make it up the stairs into the loft to run them.

JHB, Impossible to disagree re the RTR CIE brake van - very badly needed, as are those tin vans. If you saw my IRRS talk in December, I showed a photo of a Cross-border train behind a Tank with no less than three on the back! They were EVERYWHERE. The word ubiquitous was invented for them!

Ah, Robert, but you have the satisfaction of being able to say - "I built these myself" - from Provincial Wagons kits but then, I would say that, wouldn't I? A lot of these ARE available as kits from me now - "Ask and it shall be given thee". Only the corrugated open is a bit fiddly, thanks to the spindly brake gear - but it looks great when finished! Even Noel was converted! Leslie

Pity about the nameboards. I'm trying out a new slide scanner (for the Legal Appendage to scan my slides of our sons) and just happened to lift this out - Taken on some RPSI tour, of course. I took the station building as well, Noel, if of use? Good luck with the model. Now I know how I should have done mine! Leslie