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I suspect not much, the repainted ones were pretty short-lived in freight service, and there was only a year or so between them being overhauled (1964-5), and UTA pulling out of freight (1965). They lasted longer in engineers' use. But there is that photo (in the post above) of one in a mixed freight on the GNR(I) main line, so it's possible!

Now, I'll consider the other Courtaulds wagons, that weren't the NCC type. There weren't so many of these, and they're not so easy to find good photos of. Firstly we'll look at a photo of a Courtaulds coal train, this is scanned from the book 'The UTA in Colour' (Young) page 71. The photo is dated July 1966, which was after the wagon rebuild programme was completed. Nevertheless, the train is not fully comprised of rebuilt wagons painted bauxite! The first 3 wagons are grey, or unpainted, and the first one is an old GNR 4-planker. The next two are hard to make out behind the steam. The fourth wagon is an overhauled one, painted bauxite, but lacking the angled plank at the bottom of the door. The door bangers are also mounted lower down than those on the next 4 wagons which are all of the ex-NCC type discussed in my previous post. The Courtaulds wagon in this freight is very obvious in its freshly-applied bauxite livery, but it doesn't have an angled plank at the bottom of the door. Photo dated 23 May 1964, from Ernie on Flickr: Another of Ernie's photos shows several Courtaulds wagons at Coleraine in 1968, apparently in use for loco coal after Courtaulds had stopped using rail. The nearest wagon isn't an NCC wagon, it doesn't an angled plank on the door, and it has 6 planks. There is only one column of bolts on the end of the corner plates. This is distinctly different from the NCC wagons shown in the previous post. It's hard to see much detail of the other wagons in this photo. The contemporary literature says that the Courtaulds wagons were converted from NCC and GNR(I) wagons, so is this alternative type of Courtaulds wagon ex-GNR(I)? From what we can see they certainly match the characteristics of the GNR 6-plank wagons, as shown in these photos from Ernie on Flickr. In each case we're looking at the taller open wagons: So I think I've managed to conclude what many people knew already, but hopefully the illustrations help with the details and dimensions of these wagons. For modelling purposes, there have been several different models of the GNR 6-plank open (which was almost identical to the GSR version). These may not all be available now? From Provincial Wagons: From Studio Scale Models: And from Pre-Grouping Railways Any of these could have a coat of bauxite paint to become a Courtaulds wagon. What I can't confirm at present is any numbers in the C series that were applied to the ex-GNR wagons. For the ex-NCC wagon, it's not quite so easy. A good RTR starting point is the Airfix/Dapol 10' wheelbase 5-plank wagon. The NCC wagons were on a wooden underframe (rather than steel) and were 7" wider, but this isn't far off. Originally they had 5 planks like this, but were later re-planked with 4 broader planks (the same total height). The major omission styling-wise on this model is the angled bottom plank on the door. For a kit, I think the Parkside PC25 is probably the best bet for the body: https://peco-uk.com/products/lner-12ton-5-plank-open-wagon?variant=7435673632802 Again, it has a steel underframe which isn't ideal. It would probably be fairly straightforward to swap the underframe for a wooden one such as on Parkside PC61. Both have LNER-style brake gear which would need replacing with the Morton style using parts from the bits box. In the next post I'll look at the wagons cut down by NIR for engineers' use.

My pack of code 75 flat-bottom rail arrived this morning so I have given it a coat of primer, soldered on some power feeds and spiked it down to the sleepers. Then I thought I'd better test the electrical connections before ballasting, and that was also an opportunity to test 007. Here it is ticking over on the photo plank: A view along the plank showing the track construction and the gentle curve. All my rolling stock is presently 'narrow' OO gauge but I plan to convert a few things to 21mm broad gauge, starting with a wagon or two. To give an idea of what will fit on the plank. here's 007 with a Cravens coach, and with a rake of three trucks. So it's long enough to pose a loco with the first bit of a train, to provide some context. Looking at these photos, 007 is crying out for some weathering, so that's another job to tackle in the next few weeks! But first, I'll get the track ballasted and once that's set I can make more progress with the grass and gorse.

A fascinating view across Waterford yard. All those cattle wagons (and a few horseboxes)! I think I can see a few cattle wagons without rooves? It's 1956 and wagons with the Bulleid triangulated underframe are a tiny proportion of what we see in this photo.

How about another run of the 42' bogie flats, but this time with 3-piece bogies? Apologies for the quality of this image scanned from an old print, but it does show the original bogie type on the cleaner 42' bogie flat on the left, while the loaded flat is a 47'6" example with Y33 bogies. Some 42' wagons still had these bogies well into the IE 'plug and socket' era and I can scan some better photos if it helps. Also note the 3 different liveries of the 10' containers, including a grey one with tan roundel. I don't think IRM have done 10' containers yet? Again, I have some detail photos of these in various other liveries too.

I wonder if IRM are on holiday in northern Portugal? Under the bonnet, the CP 1400s have a lot in common with the NIR Hunslets, and are still in regular use.

I’m not sure if I’ve bought myself a bargain or a load of junk! MIR bubble kit for a tenner. I think it’s complete and unstarted. Building this ought to encourage IRM to make another batch… https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/387600221777?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=JJ5k5JepSVS&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=PWnBnL0RQpq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY At the very least it should give me a CIE vac-braked underframe, and the proceeds to a charity. Mol

Now, let's look at the contemporary open wagons being built for the LMS on mainland, and compare them to the NCC ones. The NCC wagons built at Darlington in 1942 were to LMS diagram D2073, as shown in the previous post. Compared to similar standard-gauge LMS wagons they were 7" wider throughout, as if the design had simply been cut and shut with 7" inserted along the centreline. This extract from the LMS Wagons book shows the difference: The LMS had a lot of variants of wooden-bodied 5-plank open wagon on the standard gauge: D1666: 1923-1930, 9'0" wheelbase, wooden underframe, unfitted. D1895: 1934-1939, 10'0" wheelbase, wooden underframe, unfitted. D1896: 1934, 10'0" wheelbase, wooden underframe, unfitted, no curb rails. D1667: 1924-1930, 9'0" wheelbase, steel underframe, unfitted . D1892: 1934-1939, 10'0" wheelbase, steel underframe, some vac fitted and some unfitted. D2072: 1942-1943, 10'0" wheelbase, unfitted. D2094: 1943-1946, 10'0" wheelbase, steel underframe, unfitted, no curb rails. D2151: ex MoS, 10'0" wheelbase, steel underframe, unfitted. The NCC wagons were most similar to D1895 lot 1118, the only difference I can see is the width. D1892 had a very similar body style, but was on a steel chassis.

Following on from the previous post, we can look in more detail at the type of Courtaulds wagon that I think is the ex-NCC variant. The most obvious spotting feature of these is the angled plank at the bottom of the door, but the other features listed at the end of my previous post are also apparent on all these wagons. Some of these photos are in colour and confirm the reddish bauxite colour on the body and solebars; the underframe ironwork just looks dirty and rusty. From Jonathan Allen on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/25996535758 https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/27914640039 https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/39837409952 This one from Jonathan Allen is particularly interesting because it seems to be entirely unpainted except for a small panel under the number: And these images from elsewhere on this forum: This from the Downptrick website: The only difference I've observed within this group of wagons is the shape of the end stanchions. They can be of L or T section, and they are all tapered at the top but the taper can be long or short. They all have 4 relatively broad planks, the second down from the top is a little narrower than the others. So, what did these look like before they were overhauled, and what numbers did they carry then? Looking at photos, UTA 2255 seems like a good candidate. It has all the right features except that it has 5 planks instead of 4. But these planks are narrower than on the Courtaulds wagons. The UTA was replacing planks on wagons in the early 1960s, even before the Courtaulds overhaul programme. The taller open wagon in this rake has 5 planks on the side (just like the photo above) but it looks like the woodwork on the ends has been renewed with 4 planks - certainly the top plank is broader than those on the sides: Again, the taller wagon in this rake has the right characteristics, and this one has 4 planks: Finally, here's UTA 2329 on the edge of the photo which is also a 4-planker with broad planks. Note in all of these old photos the height difference when compared to the low GNR 4-plank wagons surrounding the bigger NCC wagons: This drawing was posted in another thread here by @Dhu Varren, who wrote "Here is a drawing for an NCC 12T open wagon built about 1942 by the LNER to replace air raid damaged stock. 150 were built." Although the diagram isn't fully detailed, this looks very similar to the NCC wagons that were later rebuilt for Courtaulds. It has 5 planks which were later replaced with 4 broader planks. Some remaining works plates on the late survivors of the Courtaulds wagons showed NCC and dates between 1922 and 1924, which is considerably earlier than this drawing. My hypothesis is when replacement wagons were needed in wartime, the NCC sent a drawing of an existing type (the 1920s batch of wagons) and asked for more of the same, so the 1940s drawing is probably applicable to both. By the 1940s, the LMS in GB had switched entirely to steel underframes, but the LNER were still building wooden wagon underframes. If the NCC had sent an old drawing for a wooden underframe, that may explain why these wagons were built for the NCC by the LNER, rather than the LMS. It's possible that the subtle differences in the end stanchion shape are characteristic of the 1920s and 1940s batches, but I don't have enough information to confirm this. In this thread... https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/5221-goods-wagons-in-the-fifties-and-a-uta-example/?do=findComment&comment=86563 ...there are some excellent memories from @airfixfan and @jhb171achill relating to the Courtaulds wagons, including this comment: "Pleased to here that manuscript of Volume 3 is in secure hands. Have been going through what is published on this issue which is very little or vague and even incorrect. Some books state that the Courtalds traffic ended in 1968 and my own memories put it around 1967. The IRRS JOURNAL 44 October 1967 states that the signal box at Mount was closed on 25th May 1967 with signals and connections removed. From memory the UTA had tried and failed to end this contract in the mid 1960s. This is why they had to overhaul a large number of wagons for mainly this traffic which is supported by Journal 36 February 1965 which refers to 300 wagons being overhauled by the UTA at this time. These wagons would have a C prefix and be painted bauxite red with 200 wagons required for the Courtalds traffic and 100 wagons needed for ballast/dept. work. In the UTA IN COLOUR book on page 71 there is a photo of this coal train from July 1966. So it is clear that this traffic had ended by early 1967 and the 2 Peckett tanks were sold for scrap in 1968 and I remember an article about them in the Belfast Telegraph in that year which I could not find today having just moved recently! Any more detail appreciated." In a subsequent post I'll look at the train referred to, and then consider the other types of Courtauld wagon.

My thread on the NIR ballast hoppers converted from spoil wagons seemed to generate some interest, so I thought I'd start something similar on the 'Courtaulds' wagons. Hopefully people will find something interesting here too, please feel free to contribute! Some of this will be based on threads already on this forum, but with the information brought together in one place here. I have also drawn on various other published sources as well as photos on Flickr and elsewhere online. Relevant existing threads include: https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/8174-nir-open-wagons/#comment-127202 https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/7587-ncc-courtaulds-open-wagon/#comment-120929 https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/5221-goods-wagons-in-the-fifties-and-a-uta-example/#comment-86029 https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/8470-bncr-ncc-wagon-numberplates/#comment-174614 https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/3931-pictures-taken-in-19778-on-cie-system/#comment-61773 Firstly, a bit of history that we probably know already but is worth summarising. The UTA was formed in 1948 to run public transport in Northern Ireland, but it took a while before everything came under its wing. As far as railways were concerned, the BCDR was in at the start and the NCC was merged in 1949. The GNR(I)/(B) followed later in 1958 and the other lines generally closed before becoming part of the UTA. From the late 1950s the UTA were trying to reduce their rail freight services and dieselise the passenger services with multiple units. There was no plan for investment in new wagons or locos for general freight services within Northern Ireland. This then is the context for a an item in Irish Railfans' news of July 1964 (which can be read at: https://anyflip.com/dtnj/eygt/basic ) "In May, the renewal of some 300 open wagons commenced at Adelaide. 200 of these are for Courtaulds coal traffic which the UTA are unable to abandon and 100 more are for the UTA’s own use. They are painted in a bauxite colour and numbered from C1. Adelaide Yard, which had been almost cleared of derelict wagons by March last, is again filled with wagons for scrap. " 'Irish Railways Today' (Pender & Richards; 1967) states "A series of open wagons, numbered C1-C300, were rebuilt in 1965 and painted a bauxite red; These are ex-GNR 10-ton standard open wagons, and ex-NCC 12-ton opens." It also says "Freight traffic on rail in Northern Ireland officially ceased in 1965..." but this appears to refer to 'common carrier' internal freight - cross-border services continued, as did the Courtaulds traffic (only for a couple of years) and engineers' trains. These sources do not correlate well with the stated history of the Courtaulds wagons which were preserved at Downpatrick: https://www.downrail.co.uk/rolling-stock/uta-c32/ - My belief is that the two 1960s publications are more likely to be correct. This photo from Ernie on Flickr is dated 1961 and gives an idea of the state of UTA wagonry at the time (this was before any wagons were overhauled for Courtaulds). They look pretty run-down with remnants of several liveries, but have been patched up with new woodwork, usually left unpainted. The ironwork has gone to rust. Here's a photo of a freshly-overhauled Courtaulds wagon, thanks to Ernie on Flickr: This photo clearly shows the key features of a Courtaulds wagon. Or at least one type of Courtaulds wagon - they weren't all the same! Remember that some were former NCC and some former GNR, and there may have been variants within those two fleets as well. I'll try to explore these differences in this thread. Also in this photo we can see two former GNR 4-plank wagons. Although the Courtaulds wagon also has 4 planks, they are wider planks than on the GNR wagons, so the Courtaulds wagon body is the height of a 5-planker. Returning to the Courtaulds wagon in this photo, let's look at some of the other distinctive features. I believe this is a former NCC wagon as it contains more British features than Irish ones: Morton brakegear, with 2 brake shoes on one side of the wagon, operated by levers both sides. RCH standard buffers Angled plank at the bottom of the door Twin door bangers Corner plates with 2 columns of bolts on each side Wooden underframe Side and end vertical stanchions made of angle iron Apart from the wooden underframe, all these features are different from the adjacent GNR wagons which are more typical of Irish practices. Subsequent posts will explore the details of the wagons and attempt to work out what was overhauled and what survived into NIR days. There are actually quite a lot of clues in the available photos...

A bit more progress on the plank today. I've glued down the sleeper bases, and my gorse is now in flower (a few months early). For the gorse, I mixed up some creamy dilute PVA with a drop of washing up liquid, and used a flat brush to dab this on the tips of the stalks (see previous post): Then I sprinkled on some yellow ground foam. The first one I did looked a bit bright, so for the others I blended in some buff as well. I put them in warm place to dry, and then shook off any loose yellow bits. Here's a couple positioned on the cutting side to give an idea of the effect: This photo also nicely shows the subtle variations in sleeper colour. I'm a bit stuck now until I get the rails, because I want to do the rails and then the ballast before I start adding static grass and foliage. Meanwhile I'm trying to decide whether the railway boundary at the top of the cutting will be marked by a post-and-wire fence, or a dry-stone wall.

I seem to have overlooked this image from Ernie showing a rake of ballast hoppers in 1983. C291 is the nearest one and the second one may be C293:

Absolutely - although tackling the variations in the standard goods vans is too big a job for me to contemplate! However, I am wondering about a similar article on the 'Courtaulds' wagons that survived into NIR usage, in both original and cut-down forms. There's already some good info on various threads here, but it might benefit from being brought together in one place along with a trawl of photos online. Your photo here gives some interesting evidence on the re-numbering. They were UTA C1 to C300 (probably C = Courtaulds), but the NIR renumbered the cut-down wagons in their Civil Engineers' series also with a C prefix but with numbers above C300. Your photo shows UTA C16 renumbered as NIR C352. Downpatrick had C32 (original) and C378 (cut down). C355 is another cut-down wagon seen in a photo. These seem to follow on from the number series of the spoil wagons converted to ballast hoppers (highest number known is C344). Meanwhile, this photo from Jonathan Allen on Flickr might be evidence of renumbering of a full-height wagon in a lower number series. It's C37 but the 37 is much bolder and newer than the rest of the lettering: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/27914640039 But back on topic for this thread, here's a photo on Flickr by John Law showing centre-discharge C291 just sneaking into a photo of 102. This number would have clashed with a Courtaulds wagon number, which may indicate that this spoil wagon conversion was carried out after the Courtaulds wagon with the same number had been withdrawn or renumbered itself.

Agreed, though there were some exceptions. In this photo of the 1975 spoil contract, at least the nearest 4 wagons have NIR painted on the upper hopper side, and the S series number. https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/49525562432 The much later photo of some survivors shows that a red panel was painted on the wagons, before adding the NIR and the number. The upper red panel may have obliterated the UT on some wagons, but that depended on the position of the UT and how the red panel was painted. For example, S31 has ended up with U NIR T: Some of the ballast hopper conversions had a similar arrangement of red panels for the renumbering, like C293 here. This seems to only appear on C291 and C293 which are in a different number series from the rest - perhaps they were converted at a different time? However, the wagons either side (C338 and C340) have the solebar painted black and the numbers are considerably larger on these too. There was no attempt to obliterate the UT or add NIR on these. The majority of the ballast hopper conversions seem to have been like this. C319 seems to have had a complete repaint and a number in black figures, with no UT or NIR lettering. These ballast hoppers certainly give the modeller an opportunity for a short train where every wagon is subtly different from the others. Incidentally, there is a 1968 photo of apparently unmodified spoil hoppers being used for ballast, on page 32 of 'Steam's Last Challenge' (Cassells). I expect this involved a lot of manual shovelling afterwards!

The clock is ticking! I'm happy to have nabbed 007, and I'm fairly sure that one is enough...

Oh yes, some of them went through several stages of trimming, and not always at the same time as they were repainted!

Many thanks John! I enjoy the research aspect of the hobby. Sometimes, careful study of photos shows things that may not have been recorded officially. By bringing the information into one place and sharing it, often others chip in with more info and photos from different sources and that helps everyone interested. I'm hoping to build a few of Leslie's spoil wagon kits (as ballast wagons). I quite fancy making a little NIR works train to go behind an IRM Hunslet.

Dimensions for DH class include: Wheel Diameter: 3'6" Wheel Base: estimated 11'9" (scaled from image below) - has anyone got an accurate figure? Length Over Buffers: 28'4" Compared to some GB prototypes with an 0-6-0 jackshaft drive: Class 03: WD 3'7", WB 9'0", LOB 26'0" Class 04: WD 3'3", WB 9'0", LOB 26'0.25" Class 05: WD 3'4", WB 9'0", LOB 25'4" Class 07: WD 3'6", WB 8'7"", LOB 26'3.25" So the Class 03 chassis is a reasonable starting point, the main issue is that the wheelbase is too short. But I think you could get away with it on a model, because the steps and valances at the end of the DH class frame would partly conceal the empty space. Photo from another thread here, thanks to @jhb171achill: Photo from Professor Chaos on Flickr showing a broadside view of an 03:

Found elsewhere on the forum, here's a photo from @jhb171achill showing C338, one of the side discharge ballast hoppers. Note that this one retains its UT lettering:

I've just found this thread and I had also been puzzling over these 6-wheel freight wagons, so thanks for the info above. Here's another 6-wheeler, behind an NIR Hunslet at Lisburn, thanks to Jonathan Allen on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/39853513881 And I suspect this may also be a 6-wheeler, an interesting view from above: I'm certain I've seen another, very clear photo of one of these 6-wheel wagons in a yard in Belfast, but I can't find it again!

I've been making some more progress on the photo plank today. A slight frustration is the code 75 rail which was supposed to arrive yesterday still hasn't turned up. So I've had to focus on other things. Firstly I put the final layers of brown gunk on the 'ground' and topped it with a sprinkle of fine brown ballast which I find is a good foundation for subsequent scenic treatments. This will need a few days to set hard and then I'll shake or brush off any loose bits: Next I painted the panels of sleepers. A coat of sanding sealer followed by a sprayed coat of mid-brown. Once that was dry I used a palette of grey, black, brown and bauxite to brush-paint some more varied colours. This is still wet but will hopefully dry to something that looks plausible: My childhood memories of Ireland include a lot of Gorse and Fuschia. They flower at opposite ends of the year so I can't have both in bloom, and have decided to go for the Gorse. Using Eddie's excellent photos as inspiration, I'd like a bit more than the first image, but not as much as the last! To try and make some Gorse bushes, I'm experimenting as follows. 1. Take an offcut of sea foam. Also some fine florists' wire, and bend a loop into one end: 2. Dip the looped end of the wire in superglue, hook it over the first branch in the sea foam,and let the glue stick the wire to the main stalk. Repeat until you have enough bushes for a thicket: 3. Set up the static grass machine, and a small tub of PVA diluted to a cream. Attach the earth lead to the wire 'stalk' of a bush, and dunk the top of the bush in the glue. 4. Tap off excess glue, and then apply static grass, turning the bush so it is well covered. I used 6mm dark green static grass. 5. Repeat. Note the use of a tub to recover static grass for re-use, as 90% of it would otherwise go to waste. These are now left alone for the glue to set. What I can't decide is whether the next stage is the flowers (using fine yellow ground foam) or whether I should add a layer of dark green ground foam first, and then the flowers after that. If I was working in a larger scale I'd probably use the green foam first, but in 4mm scale I suspect it'll be best to go straight to the flowers. Of course I could have just bought some of these, but where's the fun in that? I think my method gives a better impression of the spiky shape of a gorse bush. https://www.wonderlandmodels.com/k-m-model-gorse-bushes-assorted-pack-of-12

Now, for those of us who have enthusiastically pre-ordered an IRM Hunslet, we'll need a train to hang behind it, so what better than a rake of spoil or ballast hoppers? @leslie10646 tells me he is planning a new run of his spoil wagon kits, which you can see here and in his photos linked below: https://provincialwagons.com/kits-available/ These look like a very good representation of the as-built wagons, and it would be easy to add a few extra ribs on the underside of the hopper to depict the common variants. I'd be tempted to replace the buffers with something like these: https://www.wizardmodels.ltd/shop/wagons/abwc026a/ I think both variants of the ballast hopper conversions would be pretty easy conversions too, cutting away some parts and adding others from plastikard. The attraction of the ballast hoppers is that for a realistic train you only need 3 to 5 wagons rather than a dozen or more. Cheers, Mol

Now I'll look at the wagons which were not modified as ballast hoppers, but survived into the 1990s. As we saw in an earlier post, many of the spoil wagons were re-used by NIR on a second spoil contract in the mid-1970s, and these were renumbered with an S prefix; S32 and S7 are visible here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/49525562432 This photo from 33Lima on Flickr is a much later view, from 1992. It shows spoil hopper S31, in the same livery and condition as they were used in the mid-1970. It appears to be full of rubbish and half-grown trees so clearly hasn't been used for some years. At some stage 'RETAIN' has been painted on the solebar, perhaps to save this one when the majority were culled: But it wasn't a unique survivor, because 33Lima also took this photo on the same occasion. S31 is on the right, but I can't make out the other two numbers: I don't know if these unmodified wagons were actually used for anything between 1975 and 1992, or whether they were just dumped in a siding.

I'll now look at the wagons converted to side-discharge ballast hoppers. Known numbers for these wagons are: C325 C328 C330 C335 C338 C340 C342 C344 These are all higher numbers than the central-discharge version discussed in my last post. It's likely that there were more, and I think these could have been a continuous number series over this range. The 'Courtaulds' wagons were also numbered in the C3xx series by NIR, but I think they had higher numbers. These side-discharge ballast hoppers had their original side door sealed up, and most of the bottom half cut away. Within this hole, a smaller door was fitted, with a control mechanism comprising a two-handled crank. Again, NIRailfan's photos on Flickr provide some nice clear views. This is C340 at the end of its life: Operation of the ballast door would not have satisfied today's health and safety requirements - you would have to walk alongside the moving train to wind the crank handle, and when the door opened it would shoot ballast at your legs! C340 has some extra slots cut into the sloping chute, perhaps to encourage more ballast to fall nearer the rails. I haven't seen these slots on other wagons of this type. Note that the chamfered hopper top has been entirely removed on this side, along with some of the old door operating mechanism. This photo from Jonathan Allen shows a rake of four hoppers of this type, all from the door side. They are C344, C328, C325, C342: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/49497154272 And on the same occasion, a useful overhead view of C342: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/49496930316 C338 and C330 appear in this rake: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/49724280377 From the hopper side, there were no visible modifications for the side-discharge ballast role. Here's C335, one of the first few wagons built (with the extra ribs on the triangular corners of the hoppers). We know that M1 and M2 were like this, possibly a few more. So this proves that there isn't a direct link between the M series number and the C series number. This wagon has also recieved the modification with the extra closely-spaced ribs in the middle portion of the hopper underside: The hopper side of C338 can also be seen fairly clearly here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/49724279882 And this shows the hopper side of C344, C328, C325, C342, not so clearly but it does confirm what their hopper undersides looked like: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/49502241483 We'll finish with a photo of C338 behind MV 106 in 1990, not long before these wagons were withdrawn in favour of the new French bogie hoppers: https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/51684028742

I was wondering if there has ever been a kit for an NIR DH class 0-6-0? Or a suitable chassis identified for a scratchbuild? So far, my searches on the forum and on Google have drawn a blank. I thought these were based on an industrial shunter type but I can't find any models of similar locos and even the Judith Edge range doesn't help (though I could have a much more obscure Harland & Wolff shunter from them!) Are there any drawings or key dimensions available? Surely someone on this forum has built a DH? How did you do it? Pic from Bancc2 on Flickr: Cheers, Mol