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Exactly - it’s beyond help now.

Indeed. I know the owner of the hotel. His initial idea was to restore and convert it into a coffee shop overflow seating area, having it parked at the platform beside the bar / cafe. However, this fell foul of catering / health and safety matters, so he had to abandon it. I discussed the implications of restoring it at the time - this is (at a wild guess) fifteen years ago or more. Even then, it was in very ropey condition. This gentleman is a very, very busy man indeed - he runs not just this hotel but another very large local company as well. I would imagine that this vehicle is extremely low on his priority list, as he has now no likely use for it. Having now spent over sixty years in the open, in Irish weather, we can all guess as to its state. We need not lament its fate. Whitehead has an identical one, as does Downpatrick. All require a rebuild, though the Whitehead one is marginally more stable than the others. Downpatrick also has a 2nd class version of the same. Thus, if the tooth fairy ever brought the necessary cash, a three coach MGWR train of six-wheelers could be assembled; Downpatrick would seem to be the only suitable place - and there, it could join two BCDR six-wheelers, one GNR one and one GSWR one! I have just revealed my "Carriage Project", to commence when I win the Euromillions - because, in truth, that's precisely what I would do with a fair chunk of the loot................

Just occurs to me..... obviously this thing is grey, as everything was then (black is always wrong for these as none lasted to the 1950s); but somewhere in the cobweb of my mind is a notion - possibly driven by a photo showing faded lined transfer lettering - suggesting that the dark coach maroon might have appeared on one anyway....very highly unlikely, but I wonder did anyone else have any thoughts on this....

Exactly, as are the two at Downpatrick. The one at Whitehead, 62M, is also in a very sorry state.

It is. It’s quite beyond hope now - a complete rebuild would be necessary.

The more guinness, the more emissions......

Well, I'm developing a pot belly - does that help? The new-build "Sir Henry" will need to be steam-tested by the weekend after next.........

I can smell the sea air, cresote on sleepers, and a faint whiff of coal smoke from the UG which has just left with the Dundalk local....... and is that a smell of fish'n'chips from that beaten-up oul van parked up beside the beach, down the road? Mind those seagulls, by the way.

Yes, they are. Some future releases of these vehicles, which had not been finalised at the time Hattons closed, have been abandoned, but the CIE liveries were amongst the batch to go ahead. So they will appear. Latest info suggests later this year. Sadly, the GSR maroon one which was in discussion will not appear, but both green liveries plus the blackntan full brake will. It's 59 years this month since six-wheeled coaches were used in traffic, the very last use being in the Cork area, almost certainly on Youghal excursions. Cork had the distinction of having the last ones still in traffic, by that stage mostly of ex-MGWR origin, but the full brakes tended to be of ex-GSWR origin, and as non-passenger vehicles, half a dozen of them remained in use tagged onto the ends of passenger trains carrying parcels and mails, until various dates between 1965 and 1970. Two officially survived until 1970 in traffic, but I've seen a picture of one of these (in black'n'tan) taken in, I think, 1969, and it was clear that while still technically on the books it had not been in use for some time. The latest date I've seen a picture of one actually in a train was in the consist of a Galway mail train in 1968. Ennnnyway; Rails of Sheffield will be shipping them out, and I am told that orders placed with hattons will be fulfilled by them. I certainly hope so, as several examples are sold out on pre-order and I want one of each. In a pre-1963 rural train, the contrast between a modern Park Royal or laminate, and one of these elderly survivors, was immense - I'm looking forward to being able to replicate this in model form. Six wheel first, Park Royal and tin van, behid a J15 one day, and a C or an A the next; perfect. Just sorry I never actually travelled in one.

Well done, Oisín, enjoy!

Is it allowed in the street where Johnston Cameron-Mogg lives?

Indeed; and therein lies the problem...."if they wanted to". Easy solution, but they seem determined to complete a fifty year long run-down of this route. Next it'll be like the Nenagh branch, with two trains a month, frequent closures, and speeds somewhat below what my grandson achieves on his pedal scooter.

Many of us know that the emulsion on old colour slides can deteriorate with age. Some brands of film were longer lasting than others; both of these images were taken on the same day, 23rd May 1965. A55 is engaged in shunting the morning Tralee goods in one picture, taken on cheap film, but Crossleys being Crossleys, the loco is pictured on the old loco road having failed an hour later; this taken with good quality Agfa film. Sure you’d swear I only took it five minutes ago.

A couple of days train-spotting deep in the Kingdom on 12th April 1957. Shunting of the Tralee goods was in progress…. A30 being in charge. The GNR van had come all the way from a place called Brookhall Mill, who used to send rolls of linen to O’Sullivans Textiles at Dugort, who produced a large variety of linen souvenir goods for the many tourist souvenir shops in West Kerry. Business was good, as Americans considered the finished products to be, like, awesome, man. In the background, Park Royal 1940 and a tin van will form the afternoon passenger local to Castletown West, hauled by a J15.

Yes, you couldn’t make this up. This is West-Cork-ism; it’s as clear as day they want to close it, at least south of Gorey; quite possibly south of Wicklow.

Very well said indeed. The proposal is by far the stupidest thing ever devised; it clearly indicates the utterly moronic view of railways held within the NTA.

I’d actually shtick me neck out and say the railway sequence is 1930s.

Fascinating stuff. The clip of the railway wagons, going by the NCC lettering style, is late 1920s, even up to mid 30s. The GNR vans in particular look very “modern” for this era. I know virtually nothing about things that float rather than run on rails, so I can’t suggest whether the maritime clips are the same age.

The elephant in the room, of course - and it's a BIG one - is that our politicians north AND south have every incentive to think and plan short-term and zero incentive to think long-term; in fact, an absolute disincentive to think long term. Major railway projects of any sort in any country are never quick fixes - unless they are closures!

I know of another J15 owner who encountered this issue. I’ve three, plus a CBSCR tank. No issues so far but none have seen huge running.

Pure GSR! (Though they were a much darker grey)

Superb!!!

You'd think so.......... there can't be any incentive within Rails themselves to do it, I would have thought.........

I asked Rails to advise on update re ordering hattons Genesis CIE six wheelers. This is what they said: Rails of Sheffield Hi Jonathan, the orders are due to be fulfilled by us, however i am afraid the order details have not yet come through from Hattons. as soon as they do we will be in touch.

I'd say you're amongst the vast majority! Three family members of mine, lately the proud possessors of free travel passes, are finding the joys now of long distance BUS travel, where changes from one pedestrian train to another are unnecessary. One relative has recently moved to Co Wickla. By express bus from Dublin city centre it's 48 minutes. By train it's over an hour. Another relative has had the misfortune to have to go to Rosslare every month or so in the last year. She wouldn't touch the train with a bargepole. Wexford Bus all the way. I did this journey once recently myself. It was horrific. Had I not been an enthusiast, I would have genuinely made a point of never setting foot on a train again. An absolutely FILTHY 29, no wifi, and crawling at what seemd 30mph the whole way until it got to bray; thereafter a trundle at walking pace to Connolly, arriving a good hour after a parallel bus would have done. And now they're talking about terminating this service half way, and putting people into even slower darts? As others say, we're playing catch-up. Big time. One must recognise good planning etc., and compensation for those inconvenienced, but nothing short of a massive root & branch upgrade, and hundreds of billions spent on it, will remedy the public transport in the east coast area. And if that means knocking down half of Ballsbridge and Killester to quadruple Drogheda - Bray, removing the Aviva Stadium to somewhere near Blessington, putting a tunnel under Merrion Gates, levelling Bray Head to double the track from Bray to Wicklow, and ignoring those in the city centre who say that tunnelling beneath them will keep their cat awake, so be it.