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Interesting, Ben! Worthy of preservation. The bulk of them were just broken up by I E.

The four wheeled bubble does indeed seem to have vanished from Limerick within the last year. A number of bogie-bubbles are in Limerick, though. I presume I'm right in thinking there are no fertiliser wagons left?

Nearest to the post-1955 CIE green is probably middle right, with the "eau-de-nil" probably best represented by the centre colour.

Monck Place and Dolphin Discs, Mayner.... you're showing your age - and mine: brings back many memories. Did you go to the Baggot Inn to see Stepside, Spud or some young fellas called U2, by any chance?

Mayner has (again) hit the nail on the head: I was told that years ago about 1408 in response to the same question. Yes, all railcars and trailers on the W & T ran in the lighter green only, as per DCDR's TPO. (And C231, for that matter!) Wouldn't a W & T based layout make a magnificent small shelf project? Nowadays they'd probably have a couple of 2600 sets and maybe nothing else!

There's one of a silver one in one of the colourpoint books - can't remember which. The only green I've seen is black'n'white, if you know what I mean, I think one of Jimmy O'Dea's.... Plain black after 1962, though a few got full black'n'tan.

A 401 gives you the option of green or silver liveries as well as black, of black'n'tan.

Broad dimensions same as an E421 class..... can be seen close up on DCDR. Cab windows different, as seen in photo above, and "thing" on top of the engine compartment needs to be added. Maybe that's not much help, but here's hoping!

We've both above..... In the pics above, 1146 is a laminate and 1150 a Craven. The Craven firsts were "first", not "super standard", as that terminology only appeared in 1972. Craven firsts were externally identical to standards.

I understand the coaches will be the same black & silver-grey. Same maroon / red logos, which in design will be broadly similar to what's in use. That's the broad plan anyway.

Yes, Glenderg....

Incidentally, just for info, I might point out that 3223 on the DCDR is in 1950s railcar livery. The darker green, on loco hauled coaches, was done away with about 1955, and would have had the broader light green stripes both above and below the windows; these, plus "flying snails", being edged in gold. For the lining style and unlined snail currently carried, only the lighter green, as seen on the TPO, G611 and C231 was used. For purists, the fonts used on all three G class, both E's, and A39 are correct. That used on C231 is not. The numerals are too thick - see A39 - and the "3" isn't the right shape. NO ill reflection, none at all, on the SUPERB work of ITG and DCDR people in restoring her. I think the lettering was added to her when over in England.

Decals, I am told, will be largely red or maroon.

The DCDR's 3223, which is in traffic and may be seen readily, is one of these. It is a conversion of a former CIE side corridor standard (3rd class when built), these dating from between 1951-3. One of the former side corridor doors can be seen in the guards van end to this day.

Yes, locked up and overgrown. There's an ex-BREL railbus there too.

The ex GNR ones are at a place called Giles' Quay, between Greenore and Dundalk. There aren't as many as there used to be.

Junction mad, you are right about Park Royals having 3 + 2 seating, and no tables.

I thought you meant the ex-BR ones....

Dave - the last 4 and 6 wheel vans disappeared from passenger service in the late 70s. So, it's BR and Dutch vans after that. I don't remember seeing silver window frames on the mk2 ab's, but I didn't see them very often.

I've changed my mind. I voted that I would not pay up front; now I say I would.

They'd almost need to be made pre-weathered, as a clean was was an impossibility!

It's no longer the "no-name" layout. I'm christening it - with your permission - the "serious potential" layout! I don't think anyone here will disagree! Looking forward to seeing it develop. Some very nice locos and rolling stock.

Frosted. Smooth surface both sides, frosty type stuff on the inside. Dargan, if you can get to Downpatrick, PM me in advance and I'll arrange for you to see 1944 (the one the DCDR owns), up close and personal.

The UTA one is most certainly a dud. They painted numbers on wagons and never cast NCC-style plates. This guy needs to be reported, methinks..... Mind you, the MRNCC one looks genuine IF, and only IF, it's been actually painted that goldeny colour. But at that price - avoid.

That MR NCC "wagon plate" looks dodgy. It looks like brass, judging by the colour. IMPORTANT - Collectors, beware. These plates were cast iron, and would have polished to a goldeny colour. If it is painted that way, it looks 100%. If, when polished, the bare metal really is yellowy, it's a dud - albeit a very convincing one. The going rate in enthusiast railwayana markets for such things is £50-£60 / €60-€75. Even if genuine, on price alone I'd avoid that one like the plague.