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Hello Jawfin Concise information on this doesn't appear to be available. I have nothing among an otherwise extensive amount of livery details. What I do know is that it is very likely that first class, second class, and third class carriages were likely to have been different colours, as many passengers were illiterate. The Dublin & Kingstown Railway painted third class green, and firsts and seconds were dark red and blue - not sure which way round. The Waterford & Tramore painted their firsts and seconds in dark red or blue too, but the other way round! Locomotives may well have been black, but if not, probably green. I'll keep my eye open for further information, but that's the best I can do for the time being! A UR-based layout would be fascinating!

Which type were those, Glenderg? I'd be very interested to see them.

Paul - yes, I thought so! Thanks for clarifying. With black being unusual for any wagon chassis, it had stuck in my mind.

I was very pleased with the way they treated it..... Colourpoint's quality of reproduction these days is second to none.

Colourpoint will indeed have it, Patrick.

Correct, Minister!

Just thinking, Heirflick; when painted cream, rather than orange, I think (but can't be certain) that at least some had black chassis - I did see at least one with a standard brown chassis and cream bubble, but even at the time I remember thinking that this was an aberration.... The one and only class of wagon I can think of offhand which all, without fail, had black chassis, were the NCC "brown vans", throughout all their livery changes. The CIE "roundel" on grey bubbles was like on "H" vans - tan surround, white lettering. Other lettering was white. Orange "bubbles" had black writing and roundel.

Grey, Mr Flick; at least on any I ever saw. Few Irish wagons ever had black chassis, and grey was still the predominant overall wagon colour when they started painting the actual "bubble" orange. I suspect some were painted at Inchicore and others at Limerick. It is therefore conceivable that Limerick might have painted some a different colour. My own photos, and from recollection, all others I have ever seen, show grey. Even if any had been painted black, cement dust would have turned them grey very quickly indeed.

DCDR's E421 ran in a two tone green livery for some years. This was intended to portray what they might have looked like in BCDR ownership... since then it has been authentically repainted, of course.

These things had three liveries. All over grey from introduction until about 1972, then orange with grey chassis, later Irish Cement cream.

The Bus Eireann red and cream has indeed been about a long time. The IOC had it in the 1930s, and the GSWR continued it. Bar the initial CIE green period 1945-62, it went back to red and cream and with variations has remained thus since!

This layout just never ceases to amaze me!

Bold colours are needed for a strong corporate livery. Think Cadburys, Coca-Cola, Yellow Pages etc. that's why the black'n'tan worked well for forty years. The drab greys of the "Enterprise" were woeful from the start. I always thought some sort if bright red and white, like Virgin Atlantic, would have worked well for that. To have a separate DART livery, to me, demands the same on the trains and buses - call it the "jackeen" livery (two tone blue would be no worse than many a thing). Everything else in a clearly identifiable IE livery. If green, so be it; but a bright green, not a wishy washy one - and grey is all right for a freight loco, but not paired with green as a strong passenger livery. Stations should be the same colour, like in "CIE green" days.

Dunsandle it is

Crimson would look better than what's on it! Serious point - I think that a standard strong livery should be applied to everything they have - darts included. It promotes a good identifiable corporate image.

"Red Bull" probably wouldn't suit them, but black'n'tan would..... UTA green, anyone?

"Bring back the black'n'tans"! ...has a very different resonance today than it did fifty years ago! I totally agree with the modern incarnation - that livery was half a century ahead of its time....... It would suit a 29, a DD, a Dart or a Mk 4 equally well.....

Interesting..... have to say I never liked the lime green and navy.... Maybe this will spread to the 26 and 28 class too?

All over green? Like the experimental one-end of an old Mk II coach? Is Inchicore going back to its roots? Grey locomotives and green carriages......! Flying Snails next..... Or GSR maroon?

"........Rails Through The West has been a huge inspiration and resource and I am eagerly waiting a follow up......" "Rails Through North Kerry" should be on the shelves in late autumn, in time to come to the attention of Mr. S Claus... It will tell the story in colour of that line, plus Castleisland, Fenit, Foynes, Croom branch and Castlemungret.

And a good idea that will doubtless be, weshty!

I have to say I always thought they were brutally ugly things too, but a sighting of one was always of interest to those of us who didn't live down in Cork or Waterford!

Absolutely stunning stuff as usual!

The 121s wouldn't have been silver, folks -just as a detail- they were delivered in grey (not unlike current 071 grey, though a shade lighter, and yellow).... The silver was on the A, B101 and C classes, as well as the first trio of G (601) and first batch of E respectively.....

As a former financial volunteer for both the RPSI and DCDR I would thoroughly endorse Leslie's post, and the efforts of the "Syndicate". I would thoroughly recommend to all here to support their sales activities, wherever you see them! And, yes, they do have an amazing selection......