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While discussing the bogie TPOs of the 1950-90 period on another thread, it seemed appropriate that the full bogie luggage vans that often ran with them (and in many other train formation) should have their own thread. No doubt they have discussed many times and in many places on the fora over the years 2549-58 series bogie full Luggage/Brake Van 2554 (1960) Dublin Connolly, 1988 with side lookout

You were able to defend your product there without the help of anyone in the audience but more importantly, who the lad making off with the beer keg?

Thanks to both of you, please post if you have any further info/photos. And since you mentioned the 2549 series luggage vans, sure, may as well post that too! (.... incidentally the TPO at the end is a 2979-81) Luggage Brake Van 2549 (1960 Inchicore) at Connolly , 1988 ....looks like one of the windows may have been sheeted over unless it just that light. There were several other converted from 1930s GSR-built coaches in the early seventies (.... I should really start a different thread shouldn't I?)

The only problem with that photo is that the second coach (in lined green) is not a TPO to my mind but if you've seen the green paint as you said above (duly noted the first iteration) please do post that photo if you have one when able. TIA I'm not sure if this is the 2952-2954 45' Bogie TPO 2954 (1950 Ex-GSWR non-corridor gas-lit conversion) Athenry c.1961 (it's not mine, Ernie's if I remember correctly)

You're right @BSGSV. When I spoke above about some obviously being green at some point, I was thinking of the trailing coach in that train which is NOT a 2972-8 series TPO and more likely a full brake which often ran with them. So now having established they ran in the silver livery I'm in search of a photo showing them (bogie TPOs) in green. Some older 6w TPOs ran in green but it's hard to find color pictures of them in either livery in the usual books or online. Search now continues for green.

Where the work happened in 2977... Roof lights replaced by fluorescent lighting

So what do you think of this O Dea Picture of 2974, last of the 'silver' (if they were introduced in 1958 in silver) in 1962? @jhb171achill @Mayner http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000305952 (Struggling find anything in color from that era anywhere on the net) Another 1959, definitely no EDN stripe http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000304426

That's right , they were obviously green at some point. Those ones would normally have had an EDN stripe. Were there any that didn't? In all probability I'm thinking this one probably is in silver, albeit probably in less than pristine condition, not as bright as the line side silver signal post but definitely no stripe, Galway Mail, Mullingar 1962 http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000305952 We know two 4w sorting vans were in silver but sure and I'm wondering id the bogie TPOs were the same for a period

So was enamel the problem as JasonB suggested? On the up side there are many examples of stock where the lettering is faded overall or individual letters are faded or missing!

That's interesting that you said that @BSGSV as I considered the O' Dea photos might be in silver livery but looked dull relative to lineside silver signal posts etc. I didn't notice an eau-de-nil stripe though and if they were the P&T signage is even lighter than the vans. I would be good if anyone could clarify that TPO liveries at that time. When 2977 was delivered to NI it came in green as the property of An Post but quite possible that livery was a promotional livery added only after the BnT era

That's actually a great shot @flange lubricator a second before pickup with the camera panning with the train motion. Its a good view of the netting extended and the receiving apparatus on the ground albeit it doesn't look like a bag was dropped. Interestingly, all the P&T backgrounds are in a lighter color than the coach also seen in this O' Dea shot from 1962 when 2974 would have been in a green livery. I'm not 100% convince that P&T logo wasn't orange on an eau de nil background. One more thing was the number of skylights on the roof presumably due to the lack of windows on one side of the TPO http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000305952

Well seven wagons but at least 4 are ventilated cover H vans, another covered that I can't make out properly, the corrugated open (beet) wagon and the one that is perplexing me (but yes it would be nice to have some rtr purchase options)

I wanted to post a pic of the TPO in the earlier condition with some of the mechanical mechanical equipment (without the netting) and the doors still in place. It occurred to me that even though this must be repainted in to 'original' condition, the P&T logo on 2978 at the RPSI is faded so badly to 'orange' that it might be mistaken for a faded red?

The open wagon appear to be a 6-wheeler unless my eyes are playing tricks?

Unfortunately it means that the vehicle has been recommended for scrapping, one step before 'X' (scrapping has been authorised). For the occasional few there was maybe one other route if someone sprayed RPSI on the side @popeye Sister coach to 2414 above; CIE 2419-2422 series 2422 (1956) CIE Green with snail at RPSI, Whitehead (most of the buffet coaches turned out were built to run with the newly introduced AEC railcars of the 1950s)

CIE 1449-1496 series Open Standard Laminate 1461 (1958) seen at Inchicore in 1988! CIE 1429-1443 Open Standard Laminate 1432 Connolly sidings 1988 (7 windows, lavs both ends, also available in silver in 1956 )

Two years ago I expressed the hope that since both companies are owned by your good selves some accommodation might be possible with the manufacturer, so whatever has changed I applaud that and many here will be happy with the increased variety and availability of Irish stock. Send them from wherever you like!

Did CIE have any SIX-wheel cut-down open wagons in the 1960s? I saw a photo somewhere recently (and I'll try to locate it) but I recall a grey open wagon with white snail with the planking cut down like a Courtaulds wagon

There has been so much on this thread I just thought I'd actually stick a laminate from Flickr up here and leave it at that. It's quite a nice photo of a buffet car (1953). Sorry that platform obscures the underframe (it sat on B4 bogies)

Is everything shipping from the UK now and why? Accurascale has become the larger market and everything has been centralized outside the EU (GB)?

I assumed the max rated tonnage would be for a near horizontal jib so in addition to better control I can certainly see the need for working in tandem now! I didn't notice and lateral jacks/stabilizers extending from the sides of the crane and they seem to work with the jib close to the center of the rails.

Nice comparison of the Inchicore crane on the left and the Athlone crane on the right working together. Interesting to see the differences including the jibs, The Inchicore 35T crane 295A would lift most bogie coaches alone except for maybe some of the full kitchen cars and GSVs. An E class however comes in at 38.5 - 42tons plus fuel http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000306336 From the O' Dea collection The 10T CBSCR crane at Inchicore April 1960 http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000304938 Broadstone Crane 2M laying waste to the Harcourt Street line 1959 http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000304525

A wealth of information as always John. When you say CIE Bredins you are referring to the early 1950s CIE traditional build wooden coaches versus the original GSR Bredins of the mid 1930s? So for the 2979- series depicted above the original GSR chassis has been retained in addition to the (modified) bogies? 2980 has that riveted under frame and turnbuckle tensioners or this was changed during the modifications? Sorry triangulated underframes etc. is still a bit of an enigma!

Offside of the 2979 series for completeness (no evidence of mail exchange doors/nets, GSR style bogies and bosca litreach pretty much to one end of the coach, both sides)

Is were any way that I can mark a forum as read instead of the entire site? After some recent merging of threads on BEVs et al. the respective fora remain 'unread' even if there is not a single electron of new content in there