spudfan Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Class 08 locomotive replacement concept unveiled | Rail Business UK | Railway Gazette International 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Interesting, spudfan..... the 08s have around since neolithic times, probably deserve a rest! I wonder how many are still in normal daily use (as opposed to preservation)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 I have seen a few round Cardiff and the Greater London area in recent months on ‘company’ duty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudfan Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 Full story if link does not work UK: Railway Support Services has imported a Canadian-built diesel locomotive to demonstrate its plans to produce a replacement for the venerable Class 08 design for main line and industrial shunting and short-distance freight operations. The imported TP70 FWDX2 was produced by Tractive Power in North Vancouver and has been demonstrated in the North American market over the past four years Tractive Power’s focus is on the Canadian and US markets, and Rail Support Services has partnered with the company to act as its global agent. Over the past three years the companies have developed plans to adapt the TP70 design to meet UK requirements including the much more restricted loading gauge, and RSS is now ready to begin production of the resulting TP60 design in the UK. RSS has a fleet of 60 Class 08s which it is looking to begin replacing, and Managing Director Andrew Goodman told Rail Business UK that he sees a market for at least 20 to 30 TP60s in the UK. He also foresees opportunities for exports, saying ‘I’m confident it will be a winner’. The three-axle locos would be based on a refurbished EMD SD40 locomotive bogie, which despite being from the North American market is within the British loading gauge. Mounted on this would be a Cummins, Caterpillar or Deutz Euro 6 diesel engine able to use low-sulphur HVO fuel. Discussions have potential users have established that diesel is still the most suitable option for shunting applications, but the design will enable the engine to be replaced with a hydrogen, ethanol, LPG, hybrid or battery-electric power unit as alternative technologies advance. The TP60 would be capable of moving up to 3 000 tonnes, double the capability of a Class 08, up to a maximum speed of 40 km/h. ‘Compared with the 08, the locomotive is exceptionally economical with the potential to significantly reduce operating costs’, said Goodman. ‘Under average working conditions, the Euro 6 diesel-powered engine will burn 34 litres/h compared with the Class 08’s 437 litres, an astonishing 92% saving with consequent environmental benefit. ‘It’s also extremely easy to maintain which further reduces downtime costs. In addition it provides a high standard of crew safety and comfort with superb all-round visibility.’ The imported TP90 locomotive is to be shown to potential TP60 users at the Rail Live event at the Long Marston Rail Innovation Centre on June 22-23. ‘Although the locomotive exhibited is of North American origin, the UK-assembled version of the TP60 will meet domestic market requirements and we are keen to hear the views of potential users’, said Goodman. ‘The Class 08 is a design that has not changed much since the 1930s and suffers relatively high maintenance downtime as well as high fuel consumption. Whilst the class is robust with great longevity, it cannot be adapted to meet modern emission standards. The TP60 is a logical replacement.’ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudfan Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 Photos of the loco in question. Notice the wheel chocks in the second photo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 those fuel figures are crazy, specially the 437l/h figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 10/6/2022 at 10:20 PM, Sean said: those fuel figures are crazy, specially the 437l/h figure I wonder if the 08 could be re-engineered to Euro6 standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinner75 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 On 10/6/2022 at 10:20 PM, Sean said: those fuel figures are crazy, specially the 437l/h figure That's just pure madness alright! Very clever using a refurbished loco bogie as the basis for the new shunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Using a bogie for a shunter is exactly what modellers might do! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 indeed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commerlad Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Given the fuel tank size on an 08 ( 668 Imp Gallons / 3037 L ) either they fill up a lot as they only carry 6.9 hours worth of fuel, or someone has the figures wrong on the usage per hour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 34 minutes ago, commerlad said: Given the fuel tank size on an 08 ( 668 Imp Gallons / 3037 L ) either they fill up a lot as they only carry 6.9 hours worth of fuel, or someone has the figures wrong on the usage per hour. 100 gallons per hour, or a gallon every 40 seconds - that does seem rather excessive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricanemk1c Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 It's a fuel consumption based on max rpm with a 1,000 tonne load according to the RSS website. As is though I'd struggle to see an application for a loco with a 33-ton axle load! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchline121 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 What would its TOPS code even be? 01-31 is already taken, and 32 is into the 1,500 hp range! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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