CB&SCR Baldwin 062st drawing

[Rob R]

If anyone fancies a little scratchbuilding project:-

Brandon Baldwin erecting drawing

Apologies if it has been posted on here before (I did look first - honest guv)

 

Rob

[jhb171achill]

17 minutes ago, Rob R said:

If anyone fancies a little scratchbuilding project:-

Brandon Baldwin erecting drawing

Apologies if it has been posted on here before (I did look first - honest guv)

 

Rob

A very interesting prototype!

[Westcorkrailway]

2 hours ago, Rob R said:

If anyone fancies a little scratchbuilding project:-

Brandon Baldwin erecting drawing

Apologies if it has been posted on here before (I did look first - honest guv)

 

Rob

You know it’s bad where even I would be reluctant to buy a model of a Cork-Bandon loco

[jhb171achill]

45 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

You know it’s bad where even I would be reluctant to buy a model of a Cork-Bandon loco

Yes, they were very far from picturesque! One of the most ungainly looking steam locomotives I’ve ever seen….

[Horsetan]

7 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Yes, they were very far from picturesque! One of the most ungainly looking steam locomotives I’ve ever seen….

They look similar to some of the engines built for railways in South Wales. 

The other 290+ drawings in that archive are fascinating. 

[jhb171achill]

1 hour ago, Horsetan said:

They look similar to some of the engines built for railways in South Wales. 

The other 290+ drawings in that archive are fascinating. 

I’d say they are, yes!

Never knew there were equivalents in Wales!! Where and when?

[Horsetan]

11 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

I’d say they are, yes!

Never knew there were equivalents in Wales!! Where and when?

I seem to recall that the Barry Railway had some very American-looking 0-8-2Ts at one stage. 

Update: ah, no, it was an 0-6-2T. Class K, apparently. Photo of one here:

It was the Port Talbot Railway that had the American-built 0-8-2Ts:

Sample photo here

 

Edited February 27, 2024 by Horsetan

[Galteemore]

I think, IIRC, the situation arose from full order books with GB loco manufacturers in the late c19th, so a few odd US locos found their way to these islands. GCR, GNR, Midland all had them. The first US import was actually as early as the 1840s. 

Edited February 27, 2024 by Galteemore

[Horsetan]

1 hour ago, Galteemore said:

I think, IIRC, the situation arose from full order books with GB loco manufacturers in the late c19th, so a few odd US locos found their way to these islands. GCR, GNR, Midland all had them...

The Schenectady Mogul - or something very similar- in the photo may also have found their way to Norway. There is a drawing for them, for engines numbered 22 to 24, in the aforementioned archive.

Edited February 27, 2024 by Horsetan

[Mike 84C]

I posted that Baldwin drawing quite a few years ago. I rather suspect that all of the American imports were not successful/ liked in  the UK is the totally different engineering philosiphy of the American builders and the "not invented here" attitude of GB engineers. That ones still about!

 Interesting article about the Port Talbot 0-8-2t's in Railway Archive No 4 July 2003 it also has a very good drawing. They were built by Cooke of Paterson NJ.

 

[Rob R]

26 minutes ago, Mike 84C said:

I posted that Baldwin drawing quite a few years ago. I rather suspect that all of the American imports were not successful/ liked in  the UK is the totally different engineering philosiphy of the American builders and the "not invented here" attitude of GB engineers. That ones still about!

 Interesting article about the Port Talbot 0-8-2t's in Railway Archive No 4 July 2003 it also has a very good drawing. They were built by Cooke of Paterson NJ.

 

Mike, Apologies for reposting the link.

I did try to search the forum before I posted it but drew a blank.

Rob

[Horsetan]

1 hour ago, Mike 84C said:

.... I rather suspect that all of the American imports were not successful/ liked in  the UK is the totally different engineering philosiphy of the American builders and the "not invented here" attitude of GB engineers. That ones still about!...

Non-standard designs, and possibly some way ahead of contemporary British engines. And yet, in the years to come, British designers did adopt some American practices, such as tapered boilers.

By 1926, British locomotive design standardisation was arguably being left behind again, this time by the German "Einheitslok" design principles.

[Mike 84C]

Rob R, no problem. Be nice to have a 3D printed model out there, I tried  pedalling that idea to several producers but no takers yet!!

[Westcorkrailway]

Any suitible chassis for even a just a 3d print of the shell?

[Rob R]

If I ever get around to scratchbuilding one in S scale I will be 3d printing the tank etc which should rescale up or down as required.

Too many other things to do before then so don't hold your breath........

 

Rob

[minister_for_hardship]

On 27/2/2024 at 12:32 PM, Mike 84C said:

I posted that Baldwin drawing quite a few years ago. I rather suspect that all of the American imports were not successful/ liked in  the UK is the totally different engineering philosiphy of the American builders and the "not invented here" attitude of GB engineers. That ones still about!

 Interesting article about the Port Talbot 0-8-2t's in Railway Archive No 4 July 2003 it also has a very good drawing. They were built by Cooke of Paterson NJ.

 

Singletons and batches of non standard locos generally tend to be short lived. By the time they need heavy repairs it's not cost effective to be tinkering with them any further.

[Mike 84C]

I would agree with your premise, minister but the railways of Ireland are the home of one offs  small classes and non standard locos. Its part of the fascination of Irish railways.

Posted 13 hours ago

 Singletons and batches of non standard locos generally tend to be short lived. By the time they need heavy repairs it's not cost effective to be tinkering with them any further.

 

 

 

 

 

[minister_for_hardship]

1 hour ago, Mike 84C said:

I would agree with your premise, minister but the railways of Ireland are the home of one offs  small classes and non standard locos. Its part of the fascination of Irish railways.

Posted 13 hours ago

 Singletons and batches of non standard locos generally tend to be short lived. By the time they need heavy repairs it's not cost effective to be tinkering with them any further.

 

 

 

 

 

Irish railways were forced to mend and make do, from the 20s onwards. Great for visiting enthusiasts but a nightmare for the railway. 

One CME was quoted "I like historic locomotives, but I wish I had less of them!"