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Hi i need to match the green used on the bachmann green coaches with the closest match to a commercial made paint by tamya, humbrol or any easy to get ready made paint acrilic or enamel

or better still the correct shade that appered on cie passenger coaches from the start of cie up untill the black and orange of the early 60s

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Waffles, I can't help you with which brand of paint best matches it, but there were several shades of green! From inception of CIE to the mid 50s, the green was a dark brunswick green, with light green bands above and below window level. These light bands, as well as the "flying snail" logo, and numerals and numbers to denote class, were all lined in gold. The gold-lined "snail" can be seen now on the RPSI's loco 461.

 

From about 1955/6, the lighter green started to appear. This was accompanied again by the light green "snail" and numerals, but by now with just a single thin light green line along the waist line. It may be noted that from 1950, some dark green vehicles had variations. AEC railcars carried the thin waist line from the start, never the two broader bands. Narrow gauge coaches were exceptions too: while two Schull & Skib four wheelers got the full livery, Cavan & Leitrim coaches had a single light-coloured band above window level, with none below. West Clare coaches, including Tralee & Dingle imports and the railcars and trailers, had all over green with no lining at all. The railcars and trailers didn't have snails either. Some very old coaches in West Cork had strange variations, such as one bogie with all ov er dark green, no lining, and two white "snails"!

 

Plenty of room for manoevre for you! Hope that helps. The lighter shade of CIE green (post '55) can be seen on the RPSI's Dublin[-based wooden carriage set.

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Hahah could be, Broithe! Years ago there used to be a rumour that whenever the GNR needed to paint a loco in Dundalk, they went to the nearest paint supplier and got the closest they had!

 

In reality, the myth couldn't have been further from the truth, as the GNR was very meticulous about paint shades being exact, and even employed a paint chemist / specialist, part of whose remit was to ensure the maintenance of such standards. I knew hom as a youth, alas, he is now in that Great Locomotive Shed in the sky; surrounded, no doubt, by endless blue 4.4.0s hauling varnished carriages around.................

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Hi Guys,

Interesting reply from jhb171achill on the many shades of CIE green. I'm colourblind which adds a whole new dimension to the problem of getting shades right :((

I wonder were any of the CIE greens similar to the UK Southern Railway Green as interpreted by Hornby ?

Thanx, Frank Savery

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FrankS - the green used by British Railways on steam locos would be somewhat closer. SR green is a quite unique (though attractive) shade. But there vwere several definite versions of SR green - one more limey / yellowy, the other more like the BR.

 

The pic of A2 above is somewhat lighter than the pre-55 green, and somewhat darker than the later; however this could be due to the vagaries of the internet. If it is called BR multiple unit green, that would indeed be the case. The darker CIE green can be seen on Loco 800 in the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum. That said, the pic of A2 above looks very well indeed and has been very well finished.

 

At the end of the day, the only arbiter on what colour your models would be, is your good self; if it's right for you, then it's right! I wish you well with your endeavours.

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Hi the green i used on my G611 was Humbrol emerald No2 Gloss, a little bit light but that might suit you. Its lighter than the pic of the A Class above but not by

much. hope that helps. You just have to try one & then lighten or darken to suit yourself.

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That looks spot on popeye..... Doubtless you've seen green G611 at the downs of patrick.... the handrails would be green also, though.

 

There is anecdotal (but not photographic) evidence that G611 was delivered as you have her above, but repainted black before entering traffic. G612-7 were delivered in black. I am not sure whether they were just black and white, or black, tan and white at first, but during the next 15 years or so until they were all withdrawn, the seven members of the G611 class had both variations.

 

The earlier three, G601-3, were delivered and ran in silver, then green as above - though at least one had the chassis green as well - possibly all three. Then they were painted black and white. None of these three ever had the tan on them.

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