80 class donors

[Liverbird81]

As the title states I think they are BR mk1's but I could be wrong any help gladly appreciated

[Warbonnet]

Pressure vent (non air con) mark 2s are needed.

[jhb171achill]

The only BR Mk 1's in Ireland were the CIE genny vans, I think. All else Mk 2, 3 or 4.

[Broithe]

The only BR Mk 1's in Ireland were the CIE genny vans, I think. All else Mk 2, 3 or 4.

 

Of course, the Irish Mk 4s are not the same as British Mk 4s.....

 

..just in case..

[jhb171achill]

True, Broithe...

[Dhu Varren]

The 80 Class were built using the BR Mk2b coach design. The Lima Mk2b 2nd class coach is a good donor for the driving trailer and intermediate coaches. The power car also requires a Lima Mk2b, but extensive butchery is needed.

[DiveController]

As the title states I think they are BR mk1's but I could be wrong any help gladly appreciated

Would you like to post a pic of an 80 class so that we can see what you've got planned?

[Glenderg]

Converting a mk1 to a mk2 class 80 is not going to happen. Ever. Back away from the workbench.

[Liverbird81]

Thanks guys my only problem with info is that on some 80class had a door in the middle of coach

[Dhu Varren]

Thanks guys my only problem with info is that on some 80class had a door in the middle of coach

 

Most, but not all, driving trailers and intermediate coaches had a door in the middle, but the vehicles are of Mk2b design. The centre door feature was exclusive to NIR, to expedite speedier loading and unloading on suburban services.

[Liverbird81]

Thankyou so I have to cut a door into the middle of the coach

[Dhu Varren]

Not necessarily, you could always model the vehicles that do not have the door. One or two ex Enterprise coaches were used to replace bomb damaged intermediate vehicles. There were also oddball driving trailers to be found. I remember seeing an ex Enterprise driving trailer complete with guards compartment, and there were one or two driving trailers without the centre door.

[Liverbird81]

Ok that helps loads and makes life so much easier thanks again dhu varren

[Dhu Varren]

Some pictures of oddballs. The first two are not very good quality I am afraid.

 

Driving trailer, probably the same one as picture 2. Not sure what the rest of the vehicle looks like.

 

 

Ex Enterprise driving trailer, no centre door, centre car no centre door.

 

 

Driving trailer and centre car with no centre doors.

 

Edited March 7, 2015 by Dhu Varren

[Dhu Varren]

A little research has revealed that only one Enterprise driving trailer was converted for use as an 80 Class driving trailer, this being 754 (formerly 811).

Pictures 1 & 2 are therefore of the same vehicle. Picture 3, however, raised another question. Why is the roof detail consistent with a brake vehicle, when driving trailers without a centre door 752 & 753 were converted from ex BR 2nd class open coaches? The answer, picture 3 is only the same vehicle as in pictures 1 & 2, it has had the guard’s compartment converted to passenger accommodation, thus now seating 75 instead of the original 31.

[Kirley]

Have a look at these two threads on Class 80 builds:

River Roe

http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/3478-Class-80-Builds?highlight=River+roe

 

33Lima

http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/2345-NIR-80-Class-DEMU

 

Both show step by step build.

[Liverbird81]

Thanks kirley forgot about them threads

[tonybonneyba]

The only BR Mk 1's in Ireland were the CIE genny vans, I think. All else Mk 2, 3 or 4.

The NR class 450 where built with a mk1 under frame

[jhb171achill]

True, Tony........! So we had part Mk 1's - maybe the 450 class could be "Mk. Half"......! :-)

[Liverbird81]

NIR in the 80's &90's were like kids with toy trains taking parts from old stock to convert to new stock crazy stuff makes life a we bit harder for us amateur modellers

[jhb171achill]

Despite seeing these things and travelling in them almost daily, while I knew there were variations, especially after ex-Enterprise stock was added, I never knew there was so much!

 

Liveries could throw up interesting combinations too, such as power car 69 just back from IE in grey and maroon, with a red and cream driving trailer and a blue and grey "intercity" intermediate.

[Liverbird81]

Yea there is a great clip on YouTube of coleraine station @ rush hour and 80 class with mixed livery cream red suburban and blue