Mayner Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Trying to gauge if there I sufficient interest to release a second run of Tin Vans. The Heating and Luggage (tin van) and Luggage (hooded vans) are out of stock a small number of TPO/Heuston Vans are in stock at $106 + $20 shipping ($NZ) approx. ₤55 Stg+₤10 shipping. 4w Post Office Van The original Tin Van kit was based on the early version of the van as introduced in 1955, if there is sufficient interest it may be feasible to supply the kit with later variations of the van including recessed doors or blanked out windows. Tin Vans Luggage Vans Quote
GSR 800 Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Certainly like the look of the luggage van......... Quote
DiveController Posted May 3, 2015 Posted May 3, 2015 John, thanks for your PM. I'll commit to one heating van early design and likely a second in the later variation (or, if I understood correctly, two kits with variations contained therein) Quote
leslie10646 Posted July 21, 2015 Posted July 21, 2015 I can't encourage any of you guys modelling 1955 - 1970 or so enough - get some of John's "tin" vans! They are just terrific. I have one of his heating vans in "silver" and it's just the bee's knees. Quote
GSR 800 Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 Any pics of the silver heating van for us leslie? Quote
jhb171achill Posted July 22, 2015 Posted July 22, 2015 The silver "livery" (ie actually not a livery at all - no paint anywhere!) was a fascinating but totally impractical way to turn things out. Ends and chassis, drawgear and brake gear, all got so filthy it was impossible to tell they weren't painted a muddy brown. As for roofs - bad enough on tin vans or carriages, but worse again on diesel locomotives - they were covered in smoky deposits, thus largely obscuring the "silver" on the roofs! Incidentally, as a point of historical accuracy, it's important to remember that "silver livery" doesn't mean they were painted silver. They were just left in bare metal, unpainted entirely! So nobody need worry about lining styles, paint shades, parts picked out in other colours and so on.... A strange one, all right! Quote
jhb171achill Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Yes. No snails, lining, or any other markings whatsoever. Chassis, ends, drawgear, roof, the lot.... all unpainted. Quote
Mayner Posted July 23, 2015 Author Posted July 23, 2015 Its possible that CIE may have been trying to copy the look of an American streamliner and break away from the traditional railway greens and lakes with the 'silver" finish. Its likely the locos and coaches were finished with a clear laquer or varnish to seal the surface and provide some damage/scratch resistance, but was totally unsuitable for the harsh railway environment, both unpainted aluminium and stainless steel will eventually turn black given the right conditions I use Tayima AS 12 Bare-metal Silver aerosol for the vans with a clear sealer, with suitable red decals by SSM. I have tried various aluminium and silver finishes and found the AS 12 most suitable with good scratch resistance before sealing. The Laminates & 4w vans seem to be the only coaches introduced in unpainted aluminium, the Park Royals seem to have been introduced in green with silver bogies. Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Wasn't there a demonstrator stainless steel bodied coach that ran briefly on CIE in hopes of a company placing an order? Looked a bit like those ones built by Budd in the US, but more UK/Irish -sized. Could that have been an inspiration? Quote
jhb171achill Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Mayner & Minister; correct on all counts. I have a picture somewhere of the stainless steel "demonstrator", including interior; must try to find it (now there's a challenge). Before discovering this picture on, actually, a CIE publicity leaflet, I'd never even heard of it. It can't have been in Ireland long. The tin vans and SOME (by no news all) laminates were indeed the only stuff to into traffic unpainted, unless you count the bodies, and done chassis, of the corrugated Bullied open wagons. Plus, of course, the A, C and G601 class locomotives. Park Royals were all introduced in green, with silver bogies. Without checking, I can't remember if the roofs were originally silver, but the silver bogies soon were repainted black. On account of the ribs on the sides, Park Royals never carried the "flying snail". Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 (edited) Aha! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/40018-silver-princess/ Perhaps the bare aluminium stock was an attempt at an 'Aldi' version of this. Edited July 23, 2015 by minister_for_hardship Quote
jhb171achill Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 It would be interesting to see a photo of it in BR red and cream, as it apparently was with British Rail.... Quote
Old Blarney Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 John, The Seltzers were originally Silver too. B101-112. Quote
leslie10646 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 "I have a picture somewhere of the stainless steel "de"monstrator", including interior; must try to find it (now there's a challenge). The tin vans and SOME (by no news all) laminates were indeed the only stuff to into traffic unpainted, unless you count the bodies, and done chassis, of the corrugated Bullied open wagons. Plus, of course, the A, C and G601 class locomotives". My dear John, your every wish - actually isn't this a laminate? and a tin van From the Ron Pocklington Collection, now owned by the IRRS, who I'm sure will forgive me using them, as I donated the collection! Ron was the "real" designer of the Turf Burner. Yes, yes, I know, I have to photograph my Mayner Van and put it up - tomorrow, tomorrow!!!! Leslie Quote
Jawfin Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Don't forget the poor auld 401s in silver as well! Those are great pics - do the bogies on that appear to be painted silver as opposed to the actual body being bare metal? Quote
jhb171achill Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Yes, the first lot of "E"'s.... correct, Jawfin... Quote
josefstadt Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 This should link to a piece about the Silver Princess (you may need to scroll down a bit to see the item): http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=9NHZm3um4WEC&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=budd+silver+princess&source=bl&ots=QbL3TI8jeW&sig=9ErCpQOrZX3obA4jMmhHM5v1o7A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oiURU6_XE4rMhAff2YCYAw&ved=0CE4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=budd%20silver%20princess&f=false Quote
Mayner Posted July 24, 2015 Author Posted July 24, 2015 "I have a picture somewhere of the stainless steel "de"monstrator", including interior; must try to find it (now there's a challenge). [ATTACH=CONFIG]19558[/ATTACH] and a tin van [ATTACH=CONFIG]19559[/ATTACH] From the Ron Pocklington Collection, now owned by the IRRS, who I'm sure will forgive me using them, as I donated the collection! Ron was the "real" designer of the Turf Burner. Leslie That Laminate really looks striking. An untarnished A Class and a solid rake of Laminates would have looked clean streamlined and modern compared to the existing stock. CIEs brave but unsuccessful attempt at a 1950s streamliner http://streamlinermemories.info/?p=946. Just might have worked had access to 2 pack paint technology. Quote
Old Blarney Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Information copied from Model Rail Forum - Richard Johnson. "December 2007 'Backtrack' has a two-page article on the 'Silver Princess' including the photo of it still with its original body panelling and doors, in crimson and cream. There are also two interior shots, one showing the bar area fitted after its rebuild. A further external shot dated 29/6/56 shows the vehicle in maroon, having been repanelled and lost its middle door. The vehicle was tried between King's Cross and Edinburgh then fitted with 5'3" bogies and tried on Irish railways for three months in 1948. It was then stored and later purchased by BR in 1955. BR used it as 'The Ulster Bar' on the Euston-Heysham run. It is suggested that withdrawal took place in June 1966." There is also a photo of the vehicle in June 1963 Modern Railways, showing it in maroon and minus the middle door. Edited July 24, 2015 by Old Blarney Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 A might have been, in the unlikely event that CIE got a few rakes of stainless stock, they could still be running today. They were built like brick toilet facilities. Quote
leslie10646 Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 Any pics of the silver heating van for us leslie? Here we go - not great pics - I'll have another go sometime! Thinking about it, maybe not the best light on my layout! But, it will give you an idea. Leslie Quote
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