GSR 800 Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Maybe a layout idea thread is in order? Quote
Horsetan Posted November 24, 2015 Author Posted November 24, 2015 Maybe a layout idea thread is in order? Ah stop, I haven't started building the thing! Quote
Weshty Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 they were very well travelled after the 1925 amalgamation Well travelled?? They were the wanton hussies of the irish rail network. Quote
Horsetan Posted November 25, 2015 Author Posted November 25, 2015 A small packet is just after turning up from Ireland, bearing An Post's current "Nollaig" commemorative stamp, and containing a small quantity of very clean castings and a nickel silver etch. Great stuff, Des, and thanks! Quote
Horsetan Posted November 26, 2015 Author Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) Now here's a thing: as can be seen from the photo, the two types of frames are broadly similar in outline, but the coupling rods are not interchangeable between the two. The nickel silver frames and rods have better detail and a more refined profile, but the trailing section representing the 7' part of the wheelbase is marginally longer than the earlier version in brass! If you try to use the nickel-silver rods on the brass chassis, the leading and centre drivers will revolve fine, but the trailing drivers will lock up. Not what you want on a sprung or compensated chassis. In the words of Father Ted when faced with the problem of getting Dougal off the milkfloat at over four miles an hour: "Keep going round the roundabout! I'm going to have a think!" Edited November 26, 2015 by Horsetan Quote
jhb171achill Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 Just saw photos tonight of J26's shunting Amiens St station about 1961 also.... which means probably Westland Row / Grand Canal St saw them too in latter days. Quote
Mayner Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 Maybe a layout idea thread is in order? Achill, Athboy, Ballinrobe, Balldaghdreen, Clifden, Courtmacsharry, Edenderry, Fenit, Killeshandra, Loughrea, Shillelagh, Tramore to start with. Unlikely to have been used on ex-GSWR branch lines with the possible exception of Banagher which became a-defacto branch in GSR days with Mullingar or Athlone supplying the branch loco Quote
Andy Cundick Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 There is is a useful article in Model Railways October 1976,with drawings for all the variations.Andy. Quote
jhb171achill Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) Didn't know they got to Clifden of Shillelagh, Mayner! ......adds to their appeal...... As I said, I thought a J26 would be a great one the DCDR had it survived. The GNR No. 93 in Cultra would do just as well, and had "Argadeen" have survived..... Edited November 27, 2015 by jhb171achill Quote
Mayner Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) Didn't know they got to Clifden of Shillelagh, Mayner! ......adds to their appeal...... As I said, I thought a J26 would be a great one the DCDR had it survived. The GNR No. 93 in Cultra would do just as well, and had "Argadeen" have survived..... A J26 would be pretty much ideal for the DCDR or short heritage line, it just might be possible to kit-bash an Argadeen from a small Hunslet or Manning Warde 0-6-0 if you can get one, its possible a set of patterns may exist for a scratch build. The J26 have been described as the Irish equivalent of the Brighton Terrier tank loco, but were closer in size and power output to the LNER J67-69 family of tank locos (GER Buckjumper) and the LNER J72 class. Some of the GER locos were built to compete with the electric tramways on short distance suburban services out of Liverpool Street including Enfield , they were well suited to suburban work with their small wheels and the entire engine weight available for traction. The GSR may have been reluctant to try the J26 on suburban trains as both the DSER and GSWR both preferred 2-4-2T and 4-4-2T for passenger work and were unlikely to have considered a small 0-6-0. Edited November 27, 2015 by Mayner Quote
Weshty Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 There is is a useful article in Model Railways October 1976,with drawings for all the variations.Andy. any chance of getting a scan of that Andy? Quote
Horsetan Posted November 27, 2015 Author Posted November 27, 2015 The Great Southern book is here. Fascinating photography.... Quote
jhb171achill Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 True, Mayner, I never heard of a J26 on a suburban train.... Quote
Mayner Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 True, Mayner, I never heard of a J26 on a suburban train.... Come to think of it Tramore pretty much ticks most of the boxes for suburban rather than branch line or local service. Heavy traffic, short distance, frequent service, smarty timed trains. The AEC railcar set supplied did not have the seating capacity to handle the peak traffic carried by the steam hauled stock. Quote
GSR 800 Posted November 27, 2015 Posted November 27, 2015 True, Mayner, I never heard of a J26 on a suburban train.... Think they worked summer excursions on the timoleague and courtmacsherry,but I could be mistaken. They worked the beet trains there anyway. Quote
Horsetan Posted November 28, 2015 Author Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) Come to think of it Tramore pretty much ticks most of the boxes for suburban rather than branch line or local service. Heavy traffic, short distance, frequent service, smarty timed trains. The AEC railcar set supplied did not have the seating capacity to handle the peak traffic carried by the steam hauled stock. I think I can see where this is leading..... It's going to have to be 560 with the garden shed cab, no? Edited November 28, 2015 by Horsetan Quote
jhb171achill Posted November 28, 2015 Posted November 28, 2015 You're heading well down that road, Horsetan! If it's Tramore you're modelling, so be it..... Quote
Horsetan Posted December 2, 2015 Author Posted December 2, 2015 You're heading well down that road, Horsetan! If it's Tramore you're modelling, so be it..... The J.P. O'Dea collection at NLI turned up this 1959 view of 560 at Cork: http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000304698 Depicted out of service, with rods removed, and displaying the "garden shed" cab which itself is showing obvious signs of being attacked by the tin worm. Cast numberplates still retained. ....out of the many hundreds (thousands?) of Irish railway photos he took, it looks like only two involve J26s! Quote
Horsetan Posted December 2, 2015 Author Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Excellent, thanks. Looks like 560 has acquired a solid handwheel on the smokebox door by 1961, as opposed to the "open" pattern wheel, or separate handles. Edited December 2, 2015 by Horsetan Quote
Garfield Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 Another one here... Ireland 1940s by steveblanc, on Flickr Quote
jhb171achill Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 I'd love to know more about that old covered van which appears to have sat there for years.... Quote
GSR 800 Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 The T&C would be an excellent place for this little locos. Beet in the autumn, and excursion trains in the summer(with a couple of ancient 6 wheelers behind of course!)if you were going with such a layout, no.552 would be a good candidate, as it was a regular performer on the T&C. Quote
Horsetan Posted December 12, 2015 Author Posted December 12, 2015 I'm coming around to the idea of building the kit as 560, which kept on working after the Tramore line closed. The photo of it on a railtour in Fenit shows that it even kept its plates, which are part of the kit. Might as well use 'em, and the garden shed cab. Quote
GSR 800 Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 I'm coming around to the idea of building the kit as 560, which kept on working after the Tramore line closed. The photo of it on a railtour in Fenit shows that it even kept its plates, which are part of the kit. Might as well use 'em, and the garden shed cab. Fare enough so, that's your choice, and 560 was a unique one. And the tramore line would make a great layout... Quote
jhb171achill Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 I came into possession of one of 560's plates some years ago and to my lasting regret had to sell it due to a scarcity of ££ at the time. It retained its CIE grey paint, rim and letters picked out in pale yellow.... Quote
Horsetan Posted December 12, 2015 Author Posted December 12, 2015 I came into possession of one of 560's plates some years ago and to my lasting regret had to sell it due to a scarcity of ££ at the time. It retained its CIE grey paint, rim and letters picked out in pale yellow.... The plates were not polished? Quote
jhb171achill Posted December 12, 2015 Posted December 12, 2015 Backgrounds were always grey, Horsetan (not black, as suggested in the "big" GSR book), unless the engine was actually black! Raised rims were usually picked out in pale yellow, but occasionally polished as currently on 186. I have seen pictures which appear to show this picked out in white, but the subjects of the withdrawn and work-stained, and it's likely that this is just the pale yellow faded. The GSWR, GSR and CIE never, ever (for the record) picked out lettering / numerals etc out in red. And while I'm on the subject of red, only the UTA painted connecting rods red! And - red again - inner motion of GSR / CIE engines was plain grey, not red as on GNR locos... Quote
GSR 800 Posted March 12, 2016 Posted March 12, 2016 Did 553 and 560 both have garden shed cabs? I always thought it was just 560 Quote
jhb171achill Posted March 12, 2016 Posted March 12, 2016 All three that worked on the W & T did, I believe. Quote
GSR 800 Posted March 12, 2016 Posted March 12, 2016 All three that worked on the W & T did, I believe. Interesting, thanks John Quote
GSR 800 Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 (edited) It seems 552 had a high coping on its bunker( it was a regular on the T&C) Edited March 13, 2016 by GSR 800 Quote
jhb171achill Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 It seems 552 had a high coping on its bunker( it was a regular on the T&D) Did they re-gauge it? Lol Quote
GSR 800 Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 Did they re-gauge it? Lol Feck! I meant the T&C:)I must be getting auld:rolleyes: Quote
jhb171achill Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 I'd dread getting to your age, GSR...! Quote
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