Northman Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Would 6/9 bubbles make up a rake?Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 MOGUL Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I'm guessing your planning your buy from IRM.. A real life rake could be up to 36(empty) or 24 (laden) bubbles.. But the didn't always run in block trains, so could be seen mixed with flat wagons carrying kegs or containers, stores oil wagons or even other wagon types travelling in a liner train to Linerick works.. I think ultimately how you run them depends on your preference and how much space you have on your layout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Northman Posted November 12, 2016 Author Share Posted November 12, 2016 I'm guessing your planning your buy from IRM.. A real life rake could be up to 36(empty) or 24 (laden) bubbles.. But the didn't always run in block trains, so could be seen mixed with flat wagons carrying kegs or containers, stores oil wagons or even other wagon types travelling in a liner train to Linerick works.. I think ultimately how you run them depends on your preference and how much space you have on your layout Not really the size of my layout,but the size of my wallet:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DiveController Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 If you look through photos of the bubbles they averaged maybe 12-16 wagons even though they could be longer. They frequently did not exceed a dozen wagons when in a mixed freight train, particularly when in the orange livery. Longer trains seem to be more common in more recent times particularly in the ivory and black livery. Since you're unlikely to have a scale model of one of the routes, a scaled back train of maybe 9 wagons would look the part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 patrick Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 At 6:05 in this video there is a scene showing an A class entering Athenry from Limerick with a rake of 7 ivory bubbles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Northman Posted November 16, 2016 Author Share Posted November 16, 2016 Would a black and tan 141 have pulled the ivory bubbles?Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 At 6:05 in this video there is a scene showing an A class entering Athenry from Limerick with a rake of 7 ivory bubbles. Thanks for posting that. One interesting formation was B&T GSV + TPO coupled to rake of ST Mk2 with EGV, and the same B&T GSV/TPO combination with a liner train. Enjoyed that video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 In their original all grey livery, they were more often seen as just part of a general goods train, marshalled along with open wagons (corrugated by that stage, mostly) and "H" and a few other vans. By orange days, this was still the case, but now running ion block trains. By the time the ivory and black appeared, and the later "non-livery" of pure caked layers of cement (!) they were running in blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DiveController Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) They did't always run in block formation in the orange livery unless you had a Guinness to break the monotony A rare® picture of them in the non-cement livery with CIE logo Edited November 17, 2016 by DiveController Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Glenderg Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 A rare® picture of them in the non-cement livery with CIE logo That's the livery they held until withdrawal. Hard to spot underneath the caked cement layers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DiveController Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 (edited) It's a shame we do not see more photos of that livery. Always caked in cement, what a shame. This livery is growing on me. Since 8/9 of the IRM rake of 12 would be in this livery, I would have been tempted at the Raheny show Would a black and tan 141 have pulled the ivory bubbles?Thanks. I think this B'n'T is hauling either grey or more likely orange bubbles. I don't remember exactly when the liveries changed at the moment http://catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=bulk+cement+hazelhatch&type=AllFields&submit=FIND&filter%5B%5D=format%3A%22Photo%22 Edited November 17, 2016 by DiveController Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Hmmm - those ivory ones looked rather cleanish and quite smart in those photos. The orange ones in this link posted by kevin look great against a green country side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Warbonnet Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 It's a shame we do not see more photos of that livery. Always caked in cement, what a shame. This livery is growing on me. Since 8/9 of the IRM rake of 12 would be in this livery, I would have been tempted at the Raheny show I think this B'n'T is hauling either grey or more likely orange bubbles. I don't remember exactly when the liveries changed at the moment http://catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=bulk+cement+hazelhatch&type=AllFields&submit=FIND&filter%5B%5D=format%3A%22Photo%22 Most likely Orange but a few original greys are probably in there too. Was privileged to see some pics of pristine Ivory livery bubbles still in the works recently which will be handy for research purposes for the wagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Those are all grey, as far as I can see; the chassis seem the same colour. When they were repainted orange, the chassis remained grey, but this might show up as a separate colour. Once repainted in orange, the CIE logos became black and these can't be seen in this picture. It's not a very clear picture as far as the wagons are concerned, so we can't be sure. As far as the changeover from grey to orange is concerned, it would have been about 1970, as far as I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 StevieB Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 It's a shame we do not see more photos of that livery. Always caked in cement, what a shame. This livery is growing on me. Since 8/9 of the IRM rake of 12 would be in this livery, I would have been tempted at the Raheny show I think this B'n'T is hauling either grey or more likely orange bubbles. I don't remember exactly when the liveries changed at the moment http://catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=bulk+cement+hazelhatch&type=AllFields&submit=FIND&filter%5B%5D=format%3A%22Photo%22 The more observant of us will have noticed a brake van at each end of the train - unusual when you are conditioned to the modern scene with fully fitted freights. Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Black'n'tan was long gone when ivory bubbles appeared. Black and tan locos would have pulled ordinary wagon grey ones (original livery) mostly. As they started painting 141s in "supertrain" livery, they were concurrently painting bubbles in orange; in fact, the bubbles were probably repainted first. Thus, it's fair to say that the following liveries match fairly tidily: Black'n'tan or black locos - grey bubbles in ordinary standard wagon grey Supertrain liveried locos - orange bubbles Tippex livery - cream / ivory colour bubbles with Irish Cement logo or "all-cement" livery! Ivory cement wagon would certainly never have been with any black and tan loco; these were separated by some twenty years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Glenderg Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Mixed Orange and Ivory on a Supertrain, Ennis 1983.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 That's about the dawn of the ivory all right! I actually never saw them mixed myself, but obviously they must have been, as in any livery change... Excellent pic - where did that come from? Ahhh! Of course - CIE ivory, not Irish Cement logo. (black chassis on ivory; grey on orange) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Glenderg Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 http://stores.ebay.co.uk/UK-Bus-Photos/UK-Bus-Photos.html Scroll down on the left hand panel until you hit Rail Photos - NI and Rail Photos - Eire. Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Scroll down on the left hand panel until you hit Rail Photos - NI and Rail Photos - Eire. Enjoy Wonder whose those are? There are two among them which I suspect are up there without the permission or knowledge of the owner - I will contact him and copy the link! Nice shots though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Glenderg Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Wonder whose those are? There are two among them which I suspect are up there without the permission or knowledge of the owner - I will contact him and copy the link! Nice shots though! Do indeed. Many feature on a few NI Flickr pages, there appears to be wholesale lifting going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 If I am right, the person to whom copyright belongs will go buck-daft, and rightly so, and sue the pants off them! On closer inspection, there's a possibility that another one belongs to another individual I know. I will tip him off too. Now, I've emailed him, and it's possible I'm quite wrong. It's not as if that era wasn't well photographed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Glenderg Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 I'll PM you the details of a few others that might be of interest.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 please do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 It's a shame we do not see more photos of that livery. Always caked in cement, what a shame. This livery is growing on me. Since 8/9 of the IRM rake of 12 would be in this livery, I would have been tempted at the Raheny show I think this B'n'T is hauling either grey or more likely orange bubbles. I don't remember exactly when the liveries changed at the moment http://catalogue.nli.ie/Search/Results?lookfor=bulk+cement+hazelhatch&type=AllFields&submit=FIND&filter%5B%5D=format%3A%22Photo%22 In this case, definitely grey. All locos were supertrained before any cream / ivory appeared. The orange version had grey chassis, but (unusually for Ireland) the ivory cream ones had black chassis. And these clearly are the same as body colour as the first few are quite new. So the pic is probably late 60's, maybe 1970/1 at a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Glenderg Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Actually JB, can I throw out a theory here? there are no markings at all on the wagons, and the colour slides I have of the original grey show a darker wagon than that here. Would it be possible that they were given a coat of primer and sent for tests? Short rake of 12-14 wagons, with 2 brake vans.... I know it's black and white but this screams similar. http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000304937 Answers on a postcard.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Very possible, Glenderg..... lighting can plays tricks with grey shades too....those brake vans, for example, would have been darker in real life (when new, though not later) than in that picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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