NCC 0-4-0ST Number 16

[Tullygrainey]

On page 36 of "Rails Around Belfast" (Crockart & Patience, Midland Publishing), there's a photograph (from the Charles Friel Collection) of a 0-4-0ST locomotive, built at York Road Works in 1914 and used around the Belfast Harbour lines until 1951. Can anyone point me towards further information or photos regarding this loco?

[jhb171achill]

Tullygrainey, if you're based in the north, your best bet might be to ask Charles Friel himself at one of the RPSI winter meetings, or on a steam train. Charles is, as I'm sure you know, one of the most respected railway historians anywhere in Ireland. If he doesn't know the answer (not all of us railway historians do!), he will at least be able to point you in the right direction.

[DiveController]

I'm sure you'll have seen the basic description and specs on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BNCR_Class_N

BNCR Class N
Type and origin Power type Steam Builder Sharp, Stewart & Co., Manchester (No. 42) NCC, York Road Works, Belfast (No. 16) Build date 1874 (No. 42) 1914 (No. 16) Total produced 2
Specifications Configuration:    • Whyte 0-4-0ST  • UIC B n2t Gauge 5 ft 3 in (1,600 mm) Driver dia. 4 ft 0 ⁄8 in (1.222 m) Wheelbase 7 ft 9 in (2.36 m) Length 25 ft 3 ⁄8 in (7.70 m) Width 8 ft 4 in (2.54 m) Height 11 ft 11 in (3.63 m) Axle load 13.80 long tons (14.02 t)+ 17.25 long tons (17.53 t) Loco weight 31.05 long tons (31.55 t) Fuel type Coal Fuel capacity 15 long cwt (760 kg) Water cap 600 imp gal (2,700 l; 720 US gal) Boiler pressure 130 psi (896 kPa) Heating surface 661.12 sq ft (61.420 m)  • Tubes 590.88 sq ft (54.895 m)  • Firebox 70.24 sq ft (6.526 m) Cylinders Two Cylinder size 16 in × 22 in (406 mm × 559 mm) Valve gear Stephenson Loco brake No.42: Hand brake No.16: Steam brake Train brakes None
Performance figures Tractive effort 12,707 lbf (56.5 kN) Factor of adh. 5.47
Career Operators BNCR NCC UTA Numbers 16, 42 Nicknames No.16: Donkey Scrapped No.16: 1951 No.42: 1925

The Five Foot Three reference might yield some assistance. I don't have a copy but someone else might ...

Scott, W.T. (January 1968). "The Shunting Tanks of York Road". Five Foot Three. 4: 2–10

 

Edited October 21, 2018 by DiveController

[Tullygrainey]

17 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Tullygrainey, if you're based in the north, your best bet might be to ask Charles Friel himself at one of the RPSI winter meetings, or on a steam train. Charles is, as I'm sure you know, one of the most respected railway historians anywhere in Ireland. If he doesn't know the answer (not all of us railway historians do!), he will at least be able to point you in the right direction.

That's very useful. Many thanks. And a good reason to get out and about rather than just staring at photos!

[Tullygrainey]

3 minutes ago, DiveController said:

I'm sure you'll have seen the basic description and specs on Wikipedia

The Five Foot Three reference might yield some assistance. I don't have a copy but someone else might ...

Scott, W.T. (January 1968). "The Shunting Tanks of York Road". Five Foot Three. 4: 2–10

 

No I hadn't - I'm clearly not trying hard enough! Many thanks for this.

[jhb171achill]

Actually, Bill Scott is probably the greatest living authority on NCC locos. He's always delighted to assist.

[BSGSV]

17 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Actually, Bill Scott is probably the greatest living authority on NCC locos. He's always delighted to assist.

Isn't No. 16 covered in Mr. Scott's book on NCC locos?

[jhb171achill]

Quite possibly - I don’t have it to hand....

Bill would remember it shunting.

Which leads me to think; it’s years since I’ve seen him. Must make contact!

Edited March 10, 2019 by jhb171achill

[Tullygrainey]

More photographs of No 16 online here:

https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles/Irish-railways/Irish-steam-archive-1/i-kdWSBk7/A

https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/ULSTER-TRANSPORT-AUTHORITY-1/i-dcvG7hg

and Five Foot Three Issue number 4 online here:

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/38250914/five-foot-three-number-4-railway-preservation-society-of-ireland

Regards

[Tullygrainey]

And here is a 4mm approximation of No. 16 using a Hornby 0-4-0 Caledonian Pug as a starting point.

Alan

 

[jhb171achill]

While the photo shows a loco too dirty to be sure, I suspect that in UTA days it received the full lining - in such a guise, it must have looked very well. Naturally, in use, a liberal coat of filth as above is more authentic.

Nice model, nice atmosphere!

[Tullygrainey]

1 hour ago, jhb171achill said:

While the photo shows a loco too dirty to be sure, I suspect that in UTA days it received the full lining - in such a guise, it must have looked very well. Naturally, in use, a liberal coat of filth as above is more authentic.

Nice model, nice atmosphere!

Thank you very much. You are undoubtedly right about the livery. I have to confess I bottled out of that particular challenge!

 

[J-Mo Arts]

On 11/4/2019 at 5:20 PM, Tullygrainey said:

And here is a 4mm approximation of No. 16 using a Hornby 0-4-0 Caledonian Pug as a starting point.

Alan

 

Sorry to bring up an old thread but I've just seen this, and I like it a lot, do you have any details of the build? 

[airfixfan]

Have a photo somewhere of NCC No 16

[Tullygrainey]

6 hours ago, J-Mo Arts said:

Sorry to bring up an old thread but I've just seen this, and I like it a lot, do you have any details of the build? 

I'm pleased you like it. Thank you J-Mo. As I said in the original post, the starting point was a Hornby 0-4-0 Caledonian Pug though there wasn't much left of the superstructure by the time I'd finished with the razor saw. The body mods are mostly plastic card, brass wire and bits from the spares box. The tank needed a lot filed off each side to get the profile I wanted. it was then skinned with 0.25mm plastic card so as to extend the tank forward over the smokebox without having an obvious join. The rivets are Archer 3D resin transfers.

I used a Hornby spares pack for the crossheads and sliders - Part No. X8834, Class 28xx 2-8-0 valve gear set. They're a bit large and there might be better alternatives. The cylinders are sections cut from the barrel of a disposable propelling pencil, the sort you buy in 10 packs at the supermarket. They're just glued to the chassis.

It's DCC chipped which tames it a bit and it runs reasonably well. It's probably a bit over-scale but that's what you get for starting with a Hornby Pug

Alan

[J-Mo Arts]

4 hours ago, Tullygrainey said:

I'm pleased you like it. Thank you J-Mo. As I said in the original post, the starting point was a Hornby 0-4-0 Caledonian Pug though there wasn't much left of the superstructure by the time I'd finished with the razor saw. The body mods are mostly plastic card, brass wire and bits from the spares box. The tank needed a lot filed off each side to get the profile I wanted. it was then skinned with 0.25mm plastic card so as to extend the tank forward over the smokebox without having an obvious join. The rivets are Archer 3D resin transfers.

I used a Hornby spares pack for the crossheads and sliders - Part No. X8834, Class 28xx 2-8-0 valve gear set. They're a bit large and there might be better alternatives. The cylinders are sections cut from the barrel of a disposable propelling pencil, the sort you buy in 10 packs at the supermarket. They're just glued to the chassis.

It's DCC chipped which tames it a bit and it runs reasonably well. It's probably a bit over-scale but that's what you get for starting with a Hornby Pug

Alan

Thanks Alan, it looks stellar! Might have to have a go myself! 

[Tullygrainey]

19 hours ago, J-Mo Arts said:

Thanks Alan, it looks stellar! Might have to have a go myself! 

Thank you. Yes, give it a go. And let us see it if you do.

Best

Alan

[airfixfan]

See photo of No 16 in Belfast

[Lambeg man]

On 15/9/2022 at 8:37 PM, airfixfan said:

See photo of No 16 in Belfast

[airfixfan]

Have recently acquired more photos of NCC No 16 as well.

[Horsetan]

On 10/3/2019 at 5:00 PM, Tullygrainey said:

.... Five Foot Three Issue number 4 online here:

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/38250914/five-foot-three-number-4-railway-preservation-society-of-ireland

I got distracted and ended up reading the whole of that! The final article, Dalcassian Steam, was fascinating.

[Galteemore]

Those old 1960s FFTs are real gems, and Drew Donaldson is always worth reading. That issue even has a letter from @leslie10646! What always intrigued me for a preservation journal is the ‘Vaporaria’ section in the early issues, which showed how active working steam still was right up until 1970. 

Edited November 17, 2022 by Galteemore

[jhb171achill]

14 hours ago, Galteemore said:

Those old 1960s FFTs are real gems, and Drew Donaldson is always worth reading. That issue even has a letter from @leslie10646! What always intrigued me for a preservation journal is the ‘Vaporaria’ section in the early issues, which showed how active working steam still was right up until 1970. 

As a schoolboy I watched it, without the sense that more mature-aged enthusiasts had of the extent to which its days were numbered. To me, it was just another steam train. Filthy locomotive, dark green carriages heading somewhere far-distant and exotic, like Dungannon......